Some hot chick walks into a turning prop
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Mark815
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That's rough. I don't know why people get so complacent when it comes to props. I've had line guys get right under the nose of the Pilatus to chock it while the prop is still slowing down, I think it's just crazy. Since I'm always the first person out of the airplane, I ALWAYS put myself between the stairs and the prop until it comes to a complete stop. I've had kids/dogs/adults run right out of the plane and immediately turn towards my direction, at which point I tell them to follow the wing and then go to the FBO to avoid the massive spinning prop that is still slowing down.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I remember that as well. I think it was late 2002.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Maybe she wanted half off a boob job. Ha! Anyone? Anyone...?
I've seen far too many rampers come way to close to propellers, and we're around them everyday. I can easily see how this could happen. This is also a great example of why, even in my little Cessna with the prop ahead of the doors, I never let anyone out without shutting down.
I've seen far too many rampers come way to close to propellers, and we're around them everyday. I can easily see how this could happen. This is also a great example of why, even in my little Cessna with the prop ahead of the doors, I never let anyone out without shutting down.
AirmetTango
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Or she may have stumbled over chocks left on the ramp in the dark, sending her towards the prop...or maybe the plane moved cuz the pilot wasn't paying attention while the engine was running. Overall, it's irresponsible to speculate about this accident without knowing the entire situation, and even more irresponsible to slam this poor girl's intelligence based on a few news snippets with sketchy details. Frankly, I'm appalled to see a CFI rush to assign blame so harshly. Are all of your students stupid when something unusual happens in the airplane, too?
Several news stories are calling it a 2011 Aviat Husky now.
ProudPilot
Aeronautics Geek
Well I remember the CFI in florida walking into a prop last year and that was chocked up to carelessness. Irregardless of how the person is normally a moment can pass where all the senses just go out. As it's a husky that does make it quite a bit different as how did she go past the spar and still hit the prop. I'm thinking she probably tripped and fell forward after getting off on the wheel, but you would think she would fall below the prop, really close, but below it. It'll be an interesting accident report. I will go with the pilot not having the right mindset at that moment and allowing a passenger to leave the aircraft while the prop is still moving.
The error chain is always varied but a number of people at any time can stop that chain. I remember while working the ramp one night knowing the prop was there but being unable to see it. That's when a CSA walked out and almost into the prop to give me an extra bag. Had to run around the wing quick and stop her before she hit it. Talked to her later and her assumption was since she didn't see it but felt the wind that there was a jet somewhere else. Anyways, at least she and the pilot could have stopped that error. I do put the emphasis on her as it is her free will. It sucks that it happened, but she still made a step that caused her life to end.
As for my students, they are still learning. I've had a few students that I've had to brief on proper ramp operations with students walking in front of taxing aircraft, coming up to them with the prop still moving and smoking while fueling. Common sense isn't always there and if I had a student burn or blow themselves up while fueling and smoking I wouldn't feel too bad as well. Still tragic, but it's not the fuels fault for catching on fire. It's also not the props fault for doing it's job. I also don't want to argue all day about when the error chain should have stopped, that's more academic than I wish to go right now. It's a tragic situation and she still had a hand in it.
The error chain is always varied but a number of people at any time can stop that chain. I remember while working the ramp one night knowing the prop was there but being unable to see it. That's when a CSA walked out and almost into the prop to give me an extra bag. Had to run around the wing quick and stop her before she hit it. Talked to her later and her assumption was since she didn't see it but felt the wind that there was a jet somewhere else. Anyways, at least she and the pilot could have stopped that error. I do put the emphasis on her as it is her free will. It sucks that it happened, but she still made a step that caused her life to end.
As for my students, they are still learning. I've had a few students that I've had to brief on proper ramp operations with students walking in front of taxing aircraft, coming up to them with the prop still moving and smoking while fueling. Common sense isn't always there and if I had a student burn or blow themselves up while fueling and smoking I wouldn't feel too bad as well. Still tragic, but it's not the fuels fault for catching on fire. It's also not the props fault for doing it's job. I also don't want to argue all day about when the error chain should have stopped, that's more academic than I wish to go right now. It's a tragic situation and she still had a hand in it.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
Although I hate to admit it, I occasionally trip over a tie down when walking between planes. I could see how it could happen at night with someone not really used to the ramp.
ghoster
Onward Thru the Fog
poser765
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I remember that story and the CFI should have known better. PAX should not be expected to know better. Common sense should not really apply to people in a situation completely outside of their norm. What may seem like common sense to you or me may not even be something remotely considerable to a non initiate.
Just like the Florida CFI this probably could have been prevented. I can't help but wonder, like many other in this thread, why passengers where let out of the plane with a spinning prop...or at least some very direct supervision.
ProudPilot
Aeronautics Geek
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070258/Lauren-Scruggs-Gossip-Girl-stylist-hand-severed-face-slashed-plane-propeller.html
Makes me much more frustrated with the pilot, was there a ground crewmember used to assist the passengers? When you have a meat grinder and there are tours you have a railing or a fence about 2 feet back just to make sure of no accidents. It's impractical with an aircraft but aluminum or steel blades spinning at 500-800 rpm will certainly tear up just about anything. Pilot should have had a more through brief or really shouldn't have kept the engine running. Saves about what, $1.50 maybe? If they've been flying, I'm sure the starter has cooled, and if no starter and hand thrown then really should have been a ground crewmember.
Anyways, I'll shut up now and wait for the FAA.
Makes me much more frustrated with the pilot, was there a ground crewmember used to assist the passengers? When you have a meat grinder and there are tours you have a railing or a fence about 2 feet back just to make sure of no accidents. It's impractical with an aircraft but aluminum or steel blades spinning at 500-800 rpm will certainly tear up just about anything. Pilot should have had a more through brief or really shouldn't have kept the engine running. Saves about what, $1.50 maybe? If they've been flying, I'm sure the starter has cooled, and if no starter and hand thrown then really should have been a ground crewmember.
Anyways, I'll shut up now and wait for the FAA.
BEEF SUPREME
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Instead of judging the pilot we should all take a moment to try and increase awareness on the ramp. I had a lot of line crew running around the props on my king air. I always asked them nicely to stay away from the prop. Well it likely sounded like begging.
I always escort my pax on the ramp. They don't like it and try to evade me (!) but guess who will be loosing employment and be harshly judged on da interwebz? The pilot.
Okie_Pilot
Pitts Builder
I would like to know how she put herself in the arc of the propeller.
hambone
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You've told a dog to follow the wing and then go to the FBO? Man, I wish I was rich so I could afford charter planes and talking dogs.
poser765
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It's certainly not my intention to judge the pilot. I think prop awareness when on a ramp is the point that should be taken out of this as well. There are so many ways to not get hit by a spinning prop. Error Chain sort of deal is what this sounds like.
nocturnalaviator
AI Jedi
Really sad. Such a pretty girl too.
I'm not going to throw stones but sometimes we forget we're responsible for everything.
Very sad that she's hurt. As far as being hot? Meh..
Krieger
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I had a weird situation over at my last airline where I wrote up the starter switch on a Beech 1900 because whenever you'd hit the Master Switch, regardless of the position of the engine start switch, it would energize the starter.
So the mechanic comes to the aircraft, I explain the situation and the FO and I go back into ops to argue with the dispatcher about the flight plan (We had a LOT of new guys at the time and "400 lbs to fly from MKE to IND? the flight is 90 minutes/"Well, that's what the computer said. If you short cut between these two cells, it might work/Whoah whoah whoah whoah there, Sparky) and he pops the master switch, the right engine starts spooling and the prop starts rotating as there is a man fueling the right wing.
I turn around, run back toward the aircraft screaming "Master off! Master off!" and the fueler jumps off the ladder and runs across the ramp in front of a taxiing aircraft.
Not exactly a stellar "OSHA" day.
So the mechanic comes to the aircraft, I explain the situation and the FO and I go back into ops to argue with the dispatcher about the flight plan (We had a LOT of new guys at the time and "400 lbs to fly from MKE to IND? the flight is 90 minutes/"Well, that's what the computer said. If you short cut between these two cells, it might work/Whoah whoah whoah whoah there, Sparky) and he pops the master switch, the right engine starts spooling and the prop starts rotating as there is a man fueling the right wing.
I turn around, run back toward the aircraft screaming "Master off! Master off!" and the fueler jumps off the ladder and runs across the ramp in front of a taxiing aircraft.
Not exactly a stellar "OSHA" day.
Mike H
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Really sad. Such a pretty girl too.
I'm not going to throw stones but sometimes we forget we're responsible for everything.
Nice looker, but she's got a slightly psycho expression in that pic
hambone
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Or maybe the dog was the business client, which makes me thinking of a German Shepard in a little business suit, smoking a pipe, and pulling a little wheely bag with his tail.