Bullying in the cockpit

JordanD said:
Sidetrack. What's below the line mean? I only hear one airline say it before pushback.
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For example our pushback checklist would be a group of stuff to do before the push, then a dividing line (usually to break the items up to sync with the phases of flight) and then you would do the items below the line once the push was complete.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Or micromanaging...that drives me nuts "Ok...give ground a call"

"Thanks...4 years and I still have problems with that"
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The CFI that I mentioned in my post above is like that as well. In fact, one day just after clearing the runway (well, most of the way), I was inching foward so my tail was clear of the hold short line so I could wait for taxi instructions. This clown stomped on my brakes (keep in mind, we're talking a 340 hour commercial student who has been based at the same airport for almost every one of those hours, not a pre-solo private student. Or Bonanza driver doing his flight review) even after I verbalized why I was inching foward. God, what a tool that guy is.
 
Yeah, there's nothing I hate more than the Aircraft Quiz from a bored C/A. Except the Aircraft Quiz from a bored F/O. I've no poop had this happen a couple of times. I just look at them for a few seconds, take a swig of my Coke Zero (we button-pushers have to watch our girlish figures), then turn and look out the appropriate window.
 
dvtpilot said:
For example our pushback checklist would be a group of stuff to do before the push, then a dividing line (usually to break the items up to sync with the phases of flight) and then you would do the items below the line once the push was complete.
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Gotcha!
 
The captain in my aircraft is rude, crude and has a sick sense of humor. I love flying single pilot.
 
I think the ones who treat you like you are still in flight school are funny. I have yet to fly with one that does that and doesn't screw something up and causes me to fix it. I find that so gratifying. If you build yourself up as the best then there is only one way to go...and I enjoy seeing that happen.

I don't think I have ever been abused per se but I have had plenty that love to be captain America and fight with everyone. I choose to let them do there thing and stay out of their way. I had one that flew off the handle because the dispatcher gave us a no need alternate and with the fuel load, we couldn't get everyone on. Well the fueler already fueled us and he lost it. "back in the day, they used to ask the CAPTAIN before fueling the aircraft!!!!". He went on and yelled at tw fueler, gate agent, an dispatcher. If I would have told him he was stupid and didn't know what he was talking about, he would have turned his rage on me. I just agreed with him and went back to my lunch. Remember, it is all about ME. I chose to eat my lunch instead of engage his shenanigans.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Except the Aircraft Quiz from a bored F/O. I've no poop had this happen a couple of times.
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Had an FO that I was flying with do just that but worse. Good kid and I never had any problems but he definitely had a reputation as a 3.5 striper. Anyway, we're sitting at the gate boarding and he starts on a G whiz info quiz. I'm kind of half paying attention to his questions. He asks a question which was more trivia than systems, I'm really not paying attention, and before I can say don't do it he says, "let me show you" and pushes a guarded pushbutton on the pedestal. Well now the button gets stuck in the IN position and won't come back out because this thing has probably never been pushed. 10 minutes later he finally gets it to pop out....after I told him, "you know who's calling MX if that thing won't come out right?"
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
I think the ones who treat you like you are still in flight school are funny. I have yet to fly with one that does that and doesn't screw something up and causes me to fix it. I find that so gratifying. If you build yourself up as the best then there is only one way to go...and I enjoy seeing that happen.
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Bingo! I totally agree.
 
As a Captain I've definitly had to play flight instructor to some of the newhires. The worst is when they try to refute you. This river flows both ways.
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
I think the ones who treat you like you are still in flight school are funny. I have yet to fly with one that does that and doesn't screw something up and causes me to fix it. I find that so gratifying. If you build yourself up as the best then there is only one way to go...and I enjoy seeing that happen.
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I had recurrent ground with a guy who proudly proclaimed that he didn't trust f/o's to set the flaps correctly during initial taxi. So I finally ended up flying with him and it was true, he reached over and set them every time. I think we flew 16 legs together and he got it right once.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I had recurrent ground with a guy who proudly proclaimed that he didn't trust f/o's to set the flaps correctly during initial taxi. So I finally ended up flying with him and it was true, he reached over and set them every time. I think we flew 16 legs together and he got it right once.
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Is that the guy as soon as the TDM pops up at the gate quickly reaches over and sets the flaps? We got some "interesting" folks around here. Did you guys see some of the unstable approach animations?
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I had recurrent ground with a guy who proudly proclaimed that he didn't trust f/o's to set the flaps correctly during initial taxi. So I finally ended up flying with him and it was true, he reached over and set them every time. I think we flew 16 legs together and he got it right once.
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Had one guy tell me when to check the controls and call the flight attendant. Strangely enough, he was a nice guy
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I had recurrent ground with a guy who proudly proclaimed that he didn't trust f/o's to set the flaps correctly during initial taxi. So I finally ended up flying with him and it was true, he reached over and set them every time. I think we flew 16 legs together and he got it right once.
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"Flaps, eight, eight" "LIAR!"
 
ZapBrannigan said:
[sarcasm]i'm certain they appreciated you sharing your expertise.[/sarcasm]
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I think you are missing his point.

New hires who don't know the airplane is one thing. New hires that don't know the FARs (speed below 10, not being able to use a localizer outside 18 miles, ODPs etc etc) are a whole different ball of wax.
 
Ive been witness to what likely started as some sort of cockpit bullying to a near fist fight at the overnight hotel bar.
 
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