What IDIOTS (Two Falcon Air Pilots Scab for Spirit)

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TUCKnTRUCK said:
How much do you bet that CAL fo named as a reference on bulk's resume wishes he could take that back right now?

I got to listen finally. Nobody "fooled" him into that flight except for himself. The only fooling I see, is him thinking he wouldn't be called out.
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That guy is an Eastern scab. Fitting. Goes to show you that it isn't circumstances that make a scab, but character.
 
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The FLL controllers were walking with us on Friday night. They as well as other professionals know what it takes and that one person can make all of their hard work go down the tubes. He is a scab, remorseful or not!
 
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ERfly said:
I do. Searchable PDF on my laptop, which is next to me in the cockpit.
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In almost 5 years I have never seen anyone use a scab list. It is not very prevalent.

I did once see a Great Lakes guy use a scab list.
 
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Charles Albury, co-Pilot of BocksCar, which dropped the A-bomb in Nagasaki is reported to have crossed the EAL line in 1989. I'm not sure how that would have worked either as he was born in 1920 which would have made him 69 at the time of his reported scabbing.

Now...it is possible he worked for Eastern in training or something...but is that truly scabbing? I mean, he would have had to retire as a line pilot at 60 (1980) and therefore wasn't an active EAL line pilot (unless he reverted to FE status or something). So, if he indeed went to work in the training department or something, does that make him a scab? He didn't fly struck work, and as far as I know wouldn't have been an active ALPA member. Not sure, but things to ponder.
 
WacoFan said:
Charles Albury, co-Pilot of BocksCar, which dropped the A-bomb in Nagasaki is reported to have crossed the EAL line in 1989. I'm not sure how that would have worked either as he was born in 1920 which would have made him 69 at the time of his reported scabbing.

Now...it is possible he worked for Eastern in training or something...but is that truly scabbing? I mean, he would have had to retire as a line pilot at 60 (1980) and therefore wasn't an active EAL line pilot (unless he reverted to FE status or something). So, if he indeed went to work in the training department or something, does that make him a scab? He didn't fly struck work, and as far as I know wouldn't have been an active ALPA member. Not sure, but things to ponder.
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Since it says Fired from Scab (Ret) status – unable to pass Ckride, worked Trng/New Hire, Enola Gay Co-Pilot I would assume what SpiraMirabilis is saying is probably the case.
 
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Nick said:
Since it says Fired from Scab (Ret) status – unable to pass Ckride, worked Trng/New Hire, Enola Gay Co-Pilot I would assume what SpiraMirabilis is saying is probably the case.
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Ok...my bet is he worked in training. Also...he was NOT the Enola Gay co-pilot. He was Bockscar's co-pilot. Hiroshima=Enola Gay. Nagasaki=Bockscar.

So...if you have any involvement with the company at all, even if it is not doing revenue flights that are struck work, then you are a scab? If you work in the training department training people to be scabs this isn't much of a leap, but I'm just making sure.
 
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What the hell is Falcon Air???? The guys resume is online(Link?)??? He is actually on that "other forum" and admits it??

What a tard.
 
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If you are a PILOT for a company, and your PILOT GROUP has struck, and you are providing your services to your company in ANY REGARD...you're a scab.
 
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Either way, the "Scab list" should be corrected. You have a lot of people seeing that the co-pilot of the Enola Gay was a scab, when it was the co-pilot of Bockscar. Pretty disrespectful not to have precision on the list...particularly a list that is so damaging to reputations. People will read that and not cross check the facts, etc and just make an assumption it is correct. I'm all for castigating these people...but it should have some amount of precision to it, lest people think the whole list is put together with the same amount of care.
 
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Yeah, guess so.

Or we can use common sense and a bit of history (thanks Waco) to recognize the data is incorrect, thus invalidating any perception that it was the Enola Gay co-pilot.
 
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surreal1221 said:
If you are a PILOT for a company, and your PILOT GROUP has struck, and you are providing your services to your company in ANY REGARD...you're a scab.
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Really?

SPIRIT AIRLINES INC. LAWFULLY STRUCK WORK
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A. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. pilot with a date of hire (DOH) between June 12, 2010 and {future date unknown} (a.k.a. "replacement worker") is automatically a SCAB.
B. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. pilot with a DOH prior to June 12th, 2010 that crosses the picket line and has been confirmed to have operated a Spirit aircraft during a period of lawfully "struck work," is a SCAB.
C. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. pilot, or other certificated pilot, that willfully operates aircaft for an alter-ego company, specifically for the purpose of operating Spirit Airlines' aircraft and/or its scheduled routes, during a period of lawfully "struck work," is a SCAB.
D. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. pilot that crosses the picket line and has been confirmed to have operated a Spirit aircraft during a period of lawfully "struck work," or that "crawls back" sometime after the strike has started, due to family crisis issues; i.e. you're about to lose your house; to feed your family; your kid gets cancer and you need the money to pay for treatment; or any other case however extreme, is still a SCAB.
E. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. pilot that is in training, ground-schoool, I.O.E., or on probation, with or without a DOH, that operates a Spirit Airlines, Inc. aircraft specifically for the purpose of operating its scheduled route during a period of lawfully "struck work," is a SCAB.
F. Any Spirit Airlines, Inc. unionized ALPA management pilot, (i.e. Chief Pilot, Director of Operations, Director of Training/Safety, etc.) that operates a Spirit Airlines, Inc. aircraft specifically for the purpose of operating its scheduled route during a period of lawfully "struck work," is a SCAB.
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Comparing Spirit Airlines' MEC's definition of scabbing, and your definition, I see a discrepancy.


They specifically state:
DOH 6/12/10+ (strike still ongoing); and, or

operating a Spirit Airlines, Inc. aircraft for the purpose of operating its scheduled route; and, or
operating an aircraft on/for a Spirit Airlines scheduled route,


equals scab status. Not "any regard" as you posit.


Clarification from any ALPA Union volunteers here would be excellent.


 
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The definition posted on that web site is not the MEC's definition. That web site is not run or controlled by the Spirit MEC, SPSC, or any other ALPA officials. The MEC made it clear that any work that benefits Spirit Airlines is struck work.
 
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ATN_Pilot said:
The definition posted on that web site is not the MEC's definition. That web site is not run or controlled by the Spirit MEC, SPSC, or any other ALPA officials. The MEC made it clear that any work that benefits Spirit Airlines is struck work.
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Ok. Easy enough. Official information is really the only true source... shoulda known that.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
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ATN_Pilot said:
The definition posted on that web site is not the MEC's definition. That web site is not run or controlled by the Spirit MEC, SPSC, or any other ALPA officials. The MEC made it clear that any work that benefits Spirit Airlines is struck work.
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So...office workers are doing "struck work" and are scabs? Management? mechanics and ground personel?
 
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