scooter2525
Very well Member
^ not sure how well that would fly with a fed. No pun intended.Yeah yeah same thing
Question for AMF applicants
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jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
You must have missed the smiley face, denoting that, "Yeah, I'm aware that I haven't touched a 99 since June of 2007, and I won't remember the exact numbers on the airplane, but I can probably ballpark it."
scooter2525
Very well Member
I caught it. Too lazy to drop the sarcasm tag. Ballparkin works. Did you ever fly em?
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Yeah about 50 hours in the right seat between the 99 and the King Air in Burbank, all in the right seat, though. Amflight wouldn't give training captain's PIC checks in the 99 just yet, though as I was leaving they were sending Austin through PIC training on the thing finally.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Personally I think it is silly that you could have someone with like 500 hours potentially trying to teach someone much more experienced how to fly a Navajo, much less a 99.
Not so much happening any more, but that is kind of the opposite of what I would ever want. Most places company instructors are the most, not the least, experienced pilots.
Not so much happening any more, but that is kind of the opposite of what I would ever want. Most places company instructors are the most, not the least, experienced pilots.
scooter2525
Very well Member
Looking at the amount of pilots that AMF churns through those 500 hour training captains, I would say they are doing SOMETHING right. I'm sure jtrain will jump in with further detail, but they are working within the FARs and under a approved training program.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Oh, I'm sure it works in its own way... just because of the experience of their "students." I just don't think I could sit there and listen to a kid who was a student pilot 6 months ago try to lecture me on the correct way to fly a profile. A guy I know, a furloughed CAL pilot, got hired at Amflight and was telling me all about how their "training captains" acted like little gods... I don't think I could deal with that. I'm no grizzled veteran myself, but yeah.
Right now most of their training captains are probably very experienced line pilots as well, though.
Right now most of their training captains are probably very experienced line pilots as well, though.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
When I was at Amflight I had soloed about 8 years prior to touching a Chieftain, but thanks for asking.
Further, training is not being accomplished in spite of the training captains at Amflight. Folks that have attitude problems about listening to their training captains are straightened out right quick by management, and if they don't take the hint, they're dumped in short order.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
You mean the guy that totaled a Chieftain on landing after being on the line about a year? Then didn't tell anybody? THEN somebody else realized during a preflight that the wing was bent and the spar was broken and the plane had flown like that for weeks with nothing but luck holding the airplane together?
KLB
Well-Known Member
Most of them don't act that way. There may be a few here and there, but that's about with any company. The way you get through is by telling yourself you're new to the company and trying to secure the job. It's isn't really the time to prove how big and bad you are. Plus after you hit the line you can pretty much give them the middle finger and tell them while they're still training in the chieftan, you'lll have been moved on to the 99 and higher even though they may be senior to you.
Most experienced pilots would have a problem with some "500hr riddle rat wonder boy" telling them how to fly an airplane though. But they know the flows, procedures, SOP, and aircraft systems like it's nobody's business. They may not know much else, but they do know that much.
Most of AMF's training is done on line by line pilots who are training captains. The 500hr training captains only train in the chieftan. All of the 99 and other aircraft training is done by more experienced pilots. There are only a few training captains with less than 1200hrs. Most pilots learn what flying freight (since the 500hr wonder boy has know experience outside of the training enviroment and flying the line is totally different than training) is all about when they finish training and do some cross training with a training captain or another line pilot.
^^^^
Thats pretty much it right there.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Woah woah woah, hold your roll there jtrain. I wasn't singling you out, or even all the low time training guys.
Merely the ones who would act like they're hot stuff when their job is essentially time building, while accomplishing something else that has to be done at the same time, in order to hit 135 mins.
I know that, of a minority of training guys (most are line pilots) these types of people are a minority still. Yet, you have to admit that they exist... and that it would be irritating to sit next to one. I could do it if it was that or be unemployed though...
Maybe I just have a long standing skepticism with training departments in general. They seem, sometimes, to be made up of people who have a heightened sense of their own importance. At least it seemed that way coming from Mesa.
Merely the ones who would act like they're hot stuff when their job is essentially time building, while accomplishing something else that has to be done at the same time, in order to hit 135 mins.
I know that, of a minority of training guys (most are line pilots) these types of people are a minority still. Yet, you have to admit that they exist... and that it would be irritating to sit next to one. I could do it if it was that or be unemployed though...
Maybe I just have a long standing skepticism with training departments in general. They seem, sometimes, to be made up of people who have a heightened sense of their own importance. At least it seemed that way coming from Mesa.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Couldn't tell you, holmes. Amflight's and ExpressJet's training departments were excellent, with few egos walking around.
SIUav8er
Narcosis
I thought the training at AMF was great. So what if the instructors in BUR dont have 1200 hours? They know the airplane, the regs, and company SOP's like nobodies business. Plus, a majority of newhires are trained by online training captains at the base they will work at... those guys are all excelent as well!
If theres one thing you get out of AMF, it is EXCELENT training!
If theres one thing you get out of AMF, it is EXCELENT training!
Unkle Nicky
New Member
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Maybe I just have a long standing skepticism with training departments in general. They seem, sometimes, to be made up of people who have a heightened sense of their own importance. At least it seemed that way coming from Mesa.[/QUOTE]
Are you calling out Katie? Because that would be a mistake.
Maybe I just have a long standing skepticism with training departments in general. They seem, sometimes, to be made up of people who have a heightened sense of their own importance. At least it seemed that way coming from Mesa.[/QUOTE]
Are you calling out Katie? Because that would be a mistake.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Are you calling out Katie? Because that would be a mistake.[/QUOTE]
No. Katie and everyone in the Dash department are great.
Co-pilot.
Because you can possibly buy enough food for two weeks out of each month on the pay.