Eagle Denying Jumpseats to CHQ

falconvalley said:
I read that he made it to the cockpit and the captain (basically said no). The crew has no control over the seats in the back, so either the commuter was confused or the plane was full.
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The Captain has control over every square inch of his airplane.

It really disturbs me that managements are becoming very effective at training the newer guys to believe that you have no authority, when in reality, you have a lot. Don't cede your authority to flight attendants and gate agents.
 
Gonzo said:
A big problem is a lot of gate agents don't know how to use the W&B program. I would say most of the time when when we are weight restricted, I can get everyone on by just using the program the right way.
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Gate Agents handle the weight and balance at some airlines? Thats scary. All we do at Skywest is try to put carry-ons in empty seats if the plane is too heavy, and gate check bags like no tommorow and put people in the rear rows if the plane needs tons of weight in the back for the CG. I can't picture gate agents doing anything more complicated than that.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Gate Agents handle the weight and balance at some airlines? Thats scary. All we do at Skywest is try to put carry-ons in empty seats if the plane is too heavy, and gate check bags like no tommorow and put people in the rear rows if the plane needs tons of weight in the back for the CG. I can't picture gate agents doing anything more complicated than that.
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Hence the reason for the computer software.....
 
Socal321 said:
A JSer for 2+ hour flight on a full 145 LR is not a problem.
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I've done it on more than one occasion. It's a little bit like a football huddle at times, but not really that big of a deal.

It's a great chance to pick somebody's brains on the industry who isn't in the same boat you are.

As for jumpseats, I'm not a captain so obviously it's not my call, but I reserve the right to my opinion and to "bring things to the captain's attention".

The only people I'd try to see denied a jumpseat are the guys who scabbed the Amerijet strike. I don't have a scab list yet, but when I do, I'll get off a plane at an outstation before I let one of them get on.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
The Captain has control over every square inch of his airplane.

It really disturbs me that managements are becoming very effective at training the newer guys to believe that you have no authority, when in reality, you have a lot. Don't cede your authority to flight attendants and gate agents.
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I get what you're saying. I think I was a little too vague. The captain has absolutely no authority to decide which nonrevs can ride and which cannot.
 
falconvalley said:
I get what you're saying. I think I was a little too vague. The captain has absolutely no authority to decide which nonrevs can ride and which cannot.
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He does within reason. If someone's being a DB, he's not riding. That goes for paying passengers AND non-revs. Now, I've got no say in PRIORITY except for jumpseaters. Even then, the gate agents will happily try to usurp that as well.
 
Firebird2XC said:
2 Points:

First off- fact or rumor? This may in fact just be a vicious rumor, and frankly doesn't help at all if it is.

Second- .. most of your group doesn't want a CHQ base in ORD... is that the official word of your representation/union? If that's the case, I'm sure Eagle ALPA would love to hear that directly from them. If they haven't, perhaps you could urge them in that direction.

(Ultimately, you're right, and I do agree- there's no reason why we pilots have to be ugly towards each other. We're all just trying to earn a living.)
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100% certain it is a fact, he was denied a jumpseat. I think our JS committee knows about it.

Second - your ALPA MEC will be meeting with our MEC next week I believe. As if he doesn't have enough of a turd sandwich to swallow.


:)
 
I'm really getting sick of all the drama associated with this profession.

Is it too much to wish for that I could just show up, do my job, go home, and not have to think/worry about it?
 
Airdale said:
100% certain it is a fact, he was denied a jumpseat. I think our JS committee knows about it.

Second - your ALPA MEC will be meeting with our MEC next week I believe. As if he doesn't have enough of a turd sandwich to swallow.


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Interesting.

We'll have to see how this plays out. I still repeat that there's no need for pilots to be ugly towards each other, but frankly, I think it's going to happen from time to time.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Interesting.

We'll have to see how this plays out. I still repeat that there's no need for pilots to be ugly towards each other, but frankly, I think it's going to happen from time to time.
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Hell, we've had guys deny jumpseats to our OWN pilots. There's one CA at NWA that won't let anyone sit on the JS b/c she doesn't like to be crowded. Guys getting denied isn't exactly a new thing. Assuming this WAS a denial due to someone being upset about the CHQ flying, let's just let it end at the JS coordinators instead of having it turn into an all out war.
 
kellwolf said:
Hell, we've had guys deny jumpseats to our OWN pilots. There's one CA at NWA that won't let anyone sit on the JS b/c she doesn't like to be crowded. Guys getting denied isn't exactly a new thing. Assuming this WAS a denial due to someone being upset about the CHQ flying, let's just let it end at the JS coordinators instead of having it turn into an all out war.
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Agreed. Pilots have enough problems. Let's not add to them.
 
kellwolf said:
Hell, we've had guys deny jumpseats to our OWN pilots. There's one CA at NWA that won't let anyone sit on the JS b/c she doesn't like to be crowded. Guys getting denied isn't exactly a new thing. Assuming this WAS a denial due to someone being upset about the CHQ flying, let's just let it end at the JS coordinators instead of having it turn into an all out war.
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Thats crap.

The jumpseat one denies today for a trivial or stupid reason, will be the jumpeat they get denied tomorrow down the road sometime.........sometime when they really need it.
 
What I'm told is the jumpseat coordinators for both airlines have corresponded and have expressed support for the jumpseat agreement between Eagle and Chautauqua. At this time there are no instructions from either coordinator to deny jumpseats.

kellwolf said:
He does within reason. If someone's being a DB, he's not riding. That goes for paying passengers AND non-revs. Now, I've got no say in PRIORITY except for jumpseaters. Even then, the gate agents will happily try to usurp that as well.
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Sure. I gotta agree with that. I was making a point that the flight crew doesn't have the same level of authority over the seats in the back, however. You can be denied a j/s and get a seat in the back and there's nothing the captain can do about it if you keep your mouth shut (reasonably that is). If a captain wishes to be unreasonable, I'm sure they can find a way to get someone off the airplane when they really just don't like them.
 
falconvalley said:
Sure. I gotta agree with that. I was making a point that the flight crew doesn't have the same level of authority over the seats in the back, however. You can be denied a j/s and get a seat in the back and there's nothing the captain can do about it if you keep your mouth shut (reasonably that is). If a captain wishes to be unreasonable, I'm sure they can find a way to get someone off the airplane when they really just don't like them.
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Oh, no. If I deny a guy a JS and he turns around and decides to non-rev....he's still not going. If I deny him, it's for a reason. If he plays the "Well, I'll show him card" he's not only bending the rules, he's disrespecting me and my decision.
 
kellwolf said:
Oh, no. If I deny a guy a JS and he turns around and decides to non-rev....he's still not going. If I deny him, it's for a reason. If he plays the "Well, I'll show him card" he's not only bending the rules, he's disrespecting me and my decision.
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Wait a minute...are you saying that if you deny someone a jumpseat (which is your right)...and they are legally entitled to non rev on an airplane with open seats, you're gonna bump him anyway?
 
727to7400 said:
Wait a minute...are you saying that if you deny someone a jumpseat (which is your right)...and they are legally entitled to non rev on an airplane with open seats, you're gonna bump him anyway?
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Maybe he's just saying it would be for some really bad reason..ie the guy is drunk, belligerent, shouldn't be traveling. Stuff like that.

I mean we talk about denying jumpseats often but I've never denied nor been on the receiving end of a denied js. We're talking about something that occurs less than 1% of the time.....
 
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