OhioStatePilot
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I think this might be pertinent to the thread.
http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182100-1.html
That's a good article.
I think this might be pertinent to the thread.
http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182100-1.html
But why cross over at other than TPA at midfield? I see the basic logic process behind it, but unless someone is coming up initial for the midfield break, all traffic will be fairly well below if you cross midfield at TPA, even a go-around; and thats where people are looking for you.
In the radio call while crossing mid-field, you include your altitude and they are looking for you exactly where you said you would be.
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I wish we had airplanes that could make an over-head break look good.
C-150 might look kinda silly.
Enter the upwind on a 45. Fly normal pattern.
Overfly at 1317' MSL, inverted and in a side slip. If that doesn't work, pull the chute.
Enter the upwind on a 45. Fly normal pattern.
Hmm.
My CFI taught me that if I can't get an advisory or wind conditions, and the downwind was on the other side of the field, to overfly at midfield 500-1000' feet above TPA (crap, I can't remember what he taught me re: altitude now....back to the AIM) so I could at least get a look at the windsock or tee. Once past the field, begin a descent to TPA and turn appropriately to enter the downwind on a 45.
Now I need to double check my procedures.
:yeahthat:That would depend on how long the runway is, now wouldn't it?
-mini
That's not always possible, unfortunately.
Communicate that on CTAF, and it'd work fine. Another technique....good that you don't descend into the downwind leg, IMO.
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DING DING DING!
A 7000' runway on a nice cool day with only one person and half tanks in a 172 is more than enough distance to get to TPA by the departure numbers. I think I could even do it in a 150 given the right circumstances.
I teach, if you have to overfly, overfly at 1000' above TPA then once at pattern distance (~1 mile from midfield, above downwind), start to decend and tear drop in on a 45 and you shouldn't have any problem being at TPA by downwind. And always communicate your intentions, if possible.
That's why I was saying a midfield cross at TPA, highly doubtful anyone would be up at TPA by then.....
Mine was in response to mini responding to MattC. But I still think that wouldn't be safe in the event of go-around traffic. You can start a go-around as far out as you want and be up at TPA by midfield.
Mine was in response to mini responding to MattC. But I still think that wouldn't be safe in the event of go-around traffic. You can start a go-around as far out as you want and be up at TPA by midfield.
I teach, if you have to overfly, overfly at 1000' above TPA then once at pattern distance (~1 mile from midfield, above downwind), start to decend and tear drop in on a 45 and you shouldn't have any problem being at TPA by downwind. And always communicate your intentions, if possible.
Communicate that on CTAF, and it'd work fine. Another technique....good that you don't descend into the downwind leg, IMO.
See + Avoid.
Student pilots that are being taught this technique with the midfield at TPA can barely tell their booty from a hole in the ground let alone look for traffic enough to see and avoid. At least, that's been my experience with the wonderful student pilots. Not saying I wasn't one myself, either. :laff:
Student pilots that are being taught this technique with the midfield at TPA can barely tell their booty from a hole in the ground let alone look for traffic enough to see and avoid. At least, that's been my experience with the wonderful student pilots. Not saying I wasn't one myself, either. :laff: