Scam? I think so.
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Nismaxdan
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They pay very fair for the equipment compared to many ALPA positions and the are now unionized (GoJet). I love the word scab being thrown around everywhere in this industry. A wise man once told me if you treat your employees right there is no need to unionize. Obviously, no one in airline management understands this so I guess they are a necessary evil if there is abuse at your place of employment. I really don't buy into this whole thing, join a Union for pilots by pilots mumbo jumbo. If you really look into it, the Union is just there to make sure you make fair wages, get treated with the respect you need from your employeer, and cover your back. Hire a couple aviation attorneys for the union and they are as spanking fantastic as ALPA. I am sure I will be on a couple peoples ignore list because of the this post but you know what I really don't care. As for burning bridges...if some are willing to go out of their way to try an sabotage someone's career due to one's beliefs because they think they are a higher tier of pilot due to the union they work for, fine. Just take a real close look at yourself in the mirror. Pilot's are suppose to be a close knit community and over the past couple months on this site I have seen very little of that. When times get bad everyone points the finger. If your furloughed I am sorry but deal with it...I have upmost respect for you and whoever you may be supporting but there is other options that may include a "scab" company. If you got to put food on the table figure out a way of doing it beside blaming GoJets if you are a TSA pilot instead of being bitter and looking for ways to get back at these "scab" pilots.
I am by far without blame in some of these subjects. I have been unemployed for 5 months and yes I am probally going to have to grab a job outside of aviation until the market turns around. It sucks but I am just going to have to deal with it. It would be so nice to be able to afford 100 hours of multi and a CRJ course and then hop on to Eagle at some point this year but it is finicially not possible (probally a waste of money also). Should these people be denied jumpseats because they are "stealing jobs" in the industry over more qualified candiates? Should GS'ers be denied jumpseats because they are also stealing seats over more qualified canidiates? Though I don't agree with either I do not think anyone should be denied jumpseats or blackballed from the community, interviews, etc.
Finally those with the power to deny jumpseaters really take a good look at yourself and other collegues before you deny a jumpseat. Stop stroking ego's and pushing agendas through the use of a jumpseat. I don't care if you are the most hardcore ALPA nazi and a GoJets jumpseater is trying to get home on a heavy bird. If there is a way to get him/her on the plane even with more work on your end you should do so. Everyone talks about burning bridges in this industry and it is a double standard. It is ok to burn bridges with GoJet or Mesa or Jetblue pilots or any scab pilot but not the other way around. What happens when that GoJet pilot is a AA recruiter 20 years down the road and you were the ALPA whatever for your airline?
I am sure I will get the your just a 300 hour 20 year old pilot what do you know. Well to be honest I don't know everything about the industry in fact a probally know just enough to get by. However I am intelligent enough to make conclusions based on knowledge off of other people and other sources of information. Any intelligent human being can do this. Does it make them an expert absolutely not but really who is in this industry?
In conclusion, grow up people. Agenda's should not be pushed through the use of a jumpseat. Pilots are Pilots are Pilots and instead of making others lifes living hell wake up and work together with another aviator.
End Rant - 3am spelling?why is the sp checker not working?
Fly safe,
jhugz
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-=Deniz=-
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That's good, you're the thinking type
You're right it is what the company did not the pilots. The bottom line is you do the work your employer gives you. If you're at TSA then fly whatever routes you fly and don't worry about GOjet. It is not anyones problem. Your employer started a buisnes and they will run it however they want don't get involved jobs were not taken at all especially when there is pref hiring at gojet for TSA furloughees.
Jhugz you're right. The real pilots that suffer form SJS are the ones that are mad they can't fly a CRJ700
SpiraMirabilis
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Damn you, Nismaxdan!
After reading the crap that you quoted though, it's become quite clear that < redacted > is the biggest dolt to ever grace JC with his presence.
But wait! We have a new contender for the title!
Velocipede
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Yeah...lets stick it to people trying to get home to their families after a 6 day trip, that will teach em a lesson.
Actually, maybe it will. Some people need to learn there are consequences for their actions. Scabs don't get Union privileges. Why should non-Union pilots who knowingly undercut our contracts for their own personal gain expect to be granted UNION negotiated privileges?
You may be an FNG, but you're exactly right. If Union pilots don't stick together and actively fight the guys that are driving our wages/benefits down, who will?
Once again, actions beget consequences. You Virgin and Allegiant dorks want to undercut my contract, don't come asking me for favors.
Very well put.
Exactly. Why on God's green earth do we feel we OWE someone something because he has a pilot's license? I don't get that kind of "thinking."
But, here is some more of it:
You probably shop at WalMart, don't you?
No way. I love your posts. They're PERFECT for demonstrating erroneous thinking. Let's have more.
That's because, as you so aptly demonstrate, pilots generally are out for themselves. They'll take non-Union jobs at low wages either to get ahead, get a quick upgrade or a better type rating. Want more evidence, just look at the AWA/AAA SLI. Greed at its finest.
And there are other options that don't involve aviation. If you have to put food on the table, it doesn't mean you have to stab other pilots in the back to do it. CostCo is hiring every day. Just because you can't fly an airplane anymore doesn't mean you can't be a provider. But, I guess you'd cross a picket line to "feed the family." Scab mentality at its finest. I GOT MINE. You're really winning friends here, bud.
No consequences for despicable actions? Who raised you? Wolves?
That's exactly what I do. Look out for the welfare of my family, my collegues, and my profession. And if you're actively lowering the bar and reducing my wages/benefits, pound sand.
What a bunch of B.S. No self-respecting Union member should go out of their way to ENABLE a Virgin, Allegiant or GoJet pilot to gut our profession.
When they can show me a Union card, they can ride the jumpseat. And that's endorsed by Section 115.E.2 of the ALPA Administrative Manual. You should read it sometime.
Instead, you (with you obvious lack of experience and credentials) think you have the gravitas to lecture US about the jumpseat. Laughable at best.
Or perhaps you should take the advice of Abraham Lincoln:
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
Again, you haven't even addressed the question. Why do YOU feel that non-Union pilots who are actively engaged in undercutting the contracts of UNION pilots are entitled to UNION NEGOTIATED privileges? Just because you have a license doesn't make you my brother, especially if you're actively sticking a knife in my back.
Maybe you should think about that while you're shopping at WalMart.
jhugz
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Correct...but since it is not be all end all ALPA there are problems.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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You know what, Velo, you're right. I'll take the kid off ignore and constantly point out how wrong he is from now on. That will be more fun, anyway.
jhugz
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You know what, Velo, you're right. I'll take the kid off ignore and constantly point out how wrong he is from now on. That will be more fun, anyway.
Especially because you know everything about aviation and the industry.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Especially because you know everything about aviation and the industry.
Compared to guys like calcapt and Velo, I know nothing. Compared to you, I'm a frickin' encyclopedia.
You need to listen to those with more experience, because you're rapidly burning bridges left and right. Your real name is right there on your website, so you aren't just hurting your "internet persona," you're hurting your real-life career opportunities. Unless you have some sort of amazing turnaround, and real quick, there are members of this site, myself includes, that will do everything we can to make sure you never work where we do. Consider the consequences of your smart-ass actions.
Right or wrong, is it possible those two just might have a little more insight than you?Especially because you know everything about aviation and the industry.
And right or wrong, don't you think you lack the credibility at this point in your career to be taken seriously?
I've been guilty on rare occasions in the past to chime in about these airline issues but realized no matter what I thought about the issue, I lack the credibility to be taken seriously. It's like when people with zero military experience talk about how it is or should be in the military - without actual experience they just lack the credibility to speak with authority on the issue.
I hope you understand I'm not calling you "wrong" or them "right," I'm saying you lack credibility because of your very low experience level.
jhugz
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Threats? // Your maturity shines through PCL.
jhugz
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If you don't like or agree with what I am saying then thats a OK. I am a newbie trying to form my own opinions. My opinions are set until I gather the appropriate knowledge or experience to change them. PCL likes to make threats and attempt to throw his weight around when he is a bigger scab then GoJets. He paid for a seat and took it over a more experienced pilot were GoJets pilots are good pilots with possibly a bad managment. I am sure I will get a warning for this while PCL will not but whatever.
Velocipede
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They are now. However, that doesn't mitigate the fact that they were and are an alter-ego airline established to break a Union. And that, like scabbing, trumps other considerations.
You really don't get it do you? But, you just keep on slurping GoJet pilots and see how far it gets you.
Especially because you know everything about aviation and the industry.
Yeah, I guess since he's a 717 F/O and you're a wanna be, he knows SIGNIFICANTLY more than you do, trolley dolly.
Its not a threat. Its real life. You can't believe how easy it is to blackball someone from getting a job at an airline. And I can think of at least two you've drastically limited YOUR chances at.
I certainly don't want to get into an opinion discussion - you are certainly entitled to them. But, you have a choice whether or not to write those opinions in a post. As a self proclaimed newbie, wouldn't it be better to read and ask questions rather than deliver opinions about a profession you don't do yet, but aspire to do one day?
You have an issue with PCL and you are lashing out without thinking about what you're doing. I understand this. I too had an issue with PCL. I got so fed up with him (over non aviation-related issues) I put him on my ignore list. Down the road I realized he was not the problem, I was. I was choosing to react to him and choosing to get upset. Since I realized the problem was with me and not him, he doesn't bother me anymore, he's off ignore, and honestly, he's not that bad.
At your young age and experience level, I just don't want to see your opportunities limited because of your actions on forums. Plenty of people will tell you JC was key in getting them their jobs. In the short time you've been around, a lot of people seem to be fed up with you. I wouldn't worry about people actively preventing you from getting a job, I'd worry about people not recommending you for one, which as you know, is key in aviation, particuliarly these days.
Whoah whoah whoah, press the pause button there Pistol Pete!
Gulfstream? A terrible idea and he's pretty clear about the perils of doing such and he's getting the message out. That's a good thing. It's congruent to me going to ERAU and saying, "You know, in retrospect, I could have made better decisions about where to spent four (five!) years of college at."
On the whole warning thing, there's no honor on the internet of falling on your sword. Remember, the "Dear John" epitaphs and "I'll fall on my sword!" posts only get you belittled in private. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease don't become one of those guys.
On the "scab" issue -- personally, in my experience, I feel it's a "Samurai Sword". Where if one uses it, they'd better be justified and the person in question better have crossed a legally recognized picket line to do struck work or the person throwing that word out is marginalizing the meaning.
DPApilot
GUYSH! GUYSH! GUYSH!
Thats low. you dont have any ground to call someone a "scab" considering you're support of a scab airline!
by the way, are you and this guy related?
