Airline pay and Obama

lol - this is funny stuff.

I hope this country can get beyond some of these trivial rantings before I die. I'd love to see it actually move in the proper direction of a share society and shared enjoyment of what this country can bring for everyone

You do realize who it was and what political party that brought this country out of our Great Depression right?
 
You one of those people who make far less than 250,000 (married) or 200,000 (single) that are going to defend the tax cuts for the uber-rich?

This country is absolutely amazing. The types of things the ignorant will fall for leave me speechless.

I am simply going to sit back, smile, and watch. I will not need to defend anything I say, Obama in the next four years will prove my points, and you can come crawling back to me saying your sorry.
 
lol - this is funny stuff.

I hope this country can get beyond some of these trivial rantings before I die. I'd love to see it actually move in the proper direction of a share society and shared enjoyment of what this country can bring for everyone

You do realize who it was and what political party that brought this country out of our Great Depression right?

Oh, your talking about Emperor FDR, the dark sith lord himself? Yeh, his little "Raw Deal" made the great depression last a bit longer... World War II is what got the ball rolling and brought us out of the depression.
You need to motivate people to go out and start up businesses to create jobs, not encourage people to be spoon fed by the government. The former creates growth and prosperity. The latter creates absolutely nothing but a well oiled machine to keep the poverty pimps in office.
 
I called YOU ignorant?

Perhaps you should read what I wrote once more.
Perhaps you should re-read what your wrote, you indirectly called me ignorant by indirectly grouping me with the "ignorant people" who believe in the same things I believe in.
 
I don't need to do anything. And I'm certainly not going to take direction and instructions by some guy on the interweb (or tubes) who doesn't even know me.

You are basing your judgments about me and what I must do based off of what? Your perceived notion that I'm some low-income individual looking for a hand-out?

On what conditions do you feel it appropriate to tell me that I need to start a business? Please do tell all knowing person.

This anger and sarcasm is far from even reasonable.

If you must continue then so be it, but those of us who study history, political science and law (meaning holding undergrad degrees and graduate degrees in such areas) really do not have much time to dedicate providing quantitative rebuttals to ranting and raving.

Perhaps you should re-read what your wrote, you indirectly called me ignorant by indirectly grouping me with the "ignorant people" who believe in the same things I believe in.

Ah . . .Interesting.

Since I didn't directly call YOU ignorant, you want me to tell you I'm sorry for somehow indirectly calling you ignorant?

You won't be getting an apology from me as there is nothing for me to apologize for. I wasn't speaking about YOU, or anyone SPECIFICALLY.

If you feel that I lumped you into some group, that's your deal - not mine.
 
What must I apologize for?

Under what grounds would you expect me to say sorry to you?



your or you're?
Uh oh, the typo nazi's are out.
Ok boys and girls, today's lesson on liberals will cover some of their dirty tricks...
If a liberal has a hard time arguing their point across, they will resort to attempts to make the other person look stupid. Such cheap shots as pointing out typo's or grammatical errors on a web forum of all places. It may not be just on a web forum however, in this past election, we watched the mainstream media perform character assassination on a great woman by the name of Sarah Palin. If a liberal starts down this dirty road, rest assured, you can be confident that you're winning the debate.
 
I don't need to do anything. And I'm certainly not going to take direction and instructions by some guy on the interweb (or tubes) who doesn't even know me.

You are basing your judgments about me and what I must do based off of what? Your perceived notion that I'm some low-income individual looking for a hand-out?

On what conditions do you feel it appropriate to tell me that I need to start a business? Please do tell all knowing person.

This anger and sarcasm is far from even reasonable.

If you must continue then so be it, but those of us who study history, political science and law (meaning holding undergrad degrees and graduate degrees in such areas) really do not have much time to dedicate providing quantitative rebuttals to ranting and raving.



Ah . . .Interesting.

Since I didn't directly call YOU ignorant, you want me to tell you I'm sorry for somehow indirectly calling you ignorant?

You won't be getting an apology from me as there is nothing for me to apologize for. I wasn't speaking about YOU, or anyone SPECIFICALLY.

If you feel that I lumped you into some group, that's your deal - not mine.
Well I also have a 4 year degree in History from a certain University in Connecticut, so... With that and 5$ I can get a cup of coffee at starbucks...

I never said you are low income. The people that I can confidently assume you voted into office support the spoon feeding of the low income types, and taxation of the ones who provide the jobs. You also stated that you are in favor of shared success(code phrase for communism). I am sorry, but you have to be a liberal/socialist/communist(all the same thing in my book) to believe in that.
And asking you to apologize to me, I said that in pre-tense. It is not valid for another four years.
 
Ok, and how did Clinton directly control that?

Bill, I think the last 8 years have proven that trickle down economics don't really work on a large scale. We have more rich people than ever before and our economy is failing. Much like the Lassiez-Faire government of Hoover led to the 29 crash. I'd argue that the current crash was caused by much the same era of loose regulation. Adam Smith was a great writer, but his theory of the invisible hand of the market has proven time and again to be less than adequate. A hybrid of capitalism and socialism (oh my) seems to be the only model that works.

Under Clinton we had a tax plan that caused wealthy people to pay more, but gave some tremendous advantages. At the end of eight years there was actually a surplus of revenue, we as a country were able to actually pay for the things that we needed. Government programs like grants for disadvantaged students were widely available. They allowed my wife to attend the University of Michigan and eventually get a PHD. Say what you want, but one of the greatest economic expansions of the 20th century happened with Clinton at the helm.
 
You one of those people who make far less than 250,000 (married) or 200,000 (single) that are going to defend the tax cuts for the uber-rich?

This country is absolutely amazing. The types of things the ignorant will fall for leave me speechless.

Absolutely. I will defend any tax cut to any demographic. We already pay WAY too much in taxes as it is. Income tax, sales tax, FICA tax, medicare tax, capital gains tax, inheritance tax, gasoline taxes, facility use taxes, the fees you pay at the drivers license station, feeding the parking meter...all taxes. The average american has to work until mid-may just to earn enough money to pay his tax liabiliy. Damn near half the year is gone before can start earning money to pay the rent, the utilites, and the grocery bill.

I can think of no other good, product, or service in this country that is priced based on a person's "ability to pay." A McDonald's hamburger costs $3 whether you have 10000 or 10 million doallrs. A Ford Explorer costs $30000 regardless of your checkbook balance. Yachts and airplanes aren't based on your income. You can either afford them or you can't.

Did you know that the original income tax was something like 1 1/2%. Now the lowest tax rate is 10% and the highest is 35%. If you make 350K or more, that's a third of your income gone. You work until the beginning of May just to pay your federal income tax. 2 hours and 40 minutes out of every work day goes to paying the federal income tax. Now add in all the other taxes that are out there. And you think the "uber-rich" aren't paying "their fair share"?

Taxes should be a flat rate, minus a standard deduction. After all, if you can't afford to put a roof over your head, clothes on your back, and food in your stomach you sure as hell can't afford to pay taxes.

The government needs to learn to do what every other american has to do. Budget and save. Live within its means. If they want to fight their little war in Iraq, then something else has to be sacrificed. I don't get to go to my boss and say I need a raise because I can't affored a new Cadillac. The government shouldn't be able to levy taxes on its citizenry because it has been financially irresponsible.

I feel strongly about this; can you tell?

Anyway, I've donned my flame retardant suit. Fire away.
 
Bill, I think the last 8 years have proven that trickle down economics don't really work on a large scale. We have more rich people than ever before and our economy is failing. Much like the Lassiez-Faire government of Hoover led to the 29 crash. I'd argue that the current crash was caused by much the same era of loose regulation. Adam Smith was a great writer, but his theory of the invisible hand of the market has proven time and again to be less than adequate. A hybrid of capitalism and socialism (oh my) seems to be the only model that works.

Under Clinton we had a tax plan that caused wealthy people to pay more, but gave some tremendous advantages. At the end of eight years there was actually a surplus of revenue, we as a country were able to actually pay for the things that we needed. Government programs like grants for disadvantaged students were widely available. They allowed my wife to attend the University of Michigan and eventually get a PHD. Say what you want, but one of the greatest economic expansions of the 20th century happened with Clinton at the helm.
We all seam to forget that the Republican ran house of Reps led by Newt Gingrich had mostly to do with cutting spending so we had a surplus... Well, that is not entirely true, Clinton DID cut spending to the Military...(The one thing I like to spend more on)
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely cannot stand McCain, and I am happy he is finally off the radar. I am a conservative first. Bush started out as a conservative and lost his way. If anything good came from this election, is that the Republican party is getting cleansed of the moderate center seeking whiny do nothing LAME NON CONSERVATIVE idiots that hijacked the republican party.
Anyhow, we all know the economy is a cyclical thing and it is OUT OF PHASE of the election cycles... It is a convenience for either political party to use this trait to attack each other when convenient. It is all kindergarten bullcrap!

Back to trickle down economics... On a smaller scale, lets use ebay for example. When Ebay increases their rates to sellers, what do sellers do? They increase the shipping and handling charges! If the aim was to punish those that made more money, it backfires, it hurts the consumer!

If my flight school was forced to pay for health care, what would my employer do? He would cut our wages!
If a small business is forced to pay a higher minimum wage to workers, he will FIRE more people, not hire more!

Our economy when it comes down to it, is driven by competition. There are simply too many pilots in the USA. If an airline had trouble finding pilots, they would pay more money to attract the pilots from other companies.
How can this problem be fixed? Simple, encourage more airlines to be created. You do this by keeping taxes low, costs low, to give INCENTIVES for people to go out and start more airlines.

If you increase taxes, increase costs, much fewer airlines will be created, much less demand for pilot jobs, no need to pay more to attract pilots to your company.

You cannot force these things on people, that is not the American way. You need to encourage growth for there to be growth.

I'll go one more step, you also need to protect businesses from lawyers, and you need tort reform. This country would sue itself to death, heck, it has already... Half the cost of a new airplane is liability insurance...
 
Fact of the matter remains, my family and I have done far worse under Bush than Clinton.

Not even if we paid absolutely no taxes it would not make up for the massive pay cuts that have been levied on us. "Great, no more taxes!!!! But, I can no longer afford to feed my family."
 
Our economy when it comes down to it, is driven by competition. There are simply too many pilots in the USA. If an airline had trouble finding pilots, they would pay more money to attract the pilots from other companies.
How can this problem be fixed? Simple, encourage more airlines to be created. You do this by keeping taxes low, costs low, to give INCENTIVES for people to go out and start more airlines.

HAHAHAHA!:yup:

That is the most asinine thing I have ever seen! I can't stop laughing. Now that I know you still work for a flight school explains everything. You don't have a clue as to how this industry works.
 
Fact of the matter remains, my family and I have done far worse under Bush than Clinton.

Not even if we paid absolutely no taxes it would not make up for the massive pay cuts that have been levied on us. "Great, no more taxes!!!! But, I can no longer afford to feed my family."
Just something to consider along those lines. If Gore or Kerry was in office instead of Bush, would your family have done better? There is absolutely no way to know that answer. Perhaps it is just too easy to blame the current president. And just maybe it is too hard to blame yourself for not being able to feed your family?
 
HAHAHAHA!:yup:

That is the most asinine thing I have ever seen! I can't stop laughing. Now that I know you still work for a flight school explains everything. You don't have a clue as to how this industry works.

Well sir, could you explain to me in front of everyone how this industry works? Clearly you must know EXACTLY how it works. I think I understand it far better than you. You made the assumption that I never worked at an airline. You made the assumption that no one at a flight school has ever worked for an airline... Half the instructors are furloughed pilots from the airlines. Anyhow, I am waiting for you to explain to me how the industry works.
 
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