JetBlue unprofessionalism on display

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Velocipede said:
No it isn't. Its called aerodynamic braking. It works well on Cessnas and F-18s, but its the absolute worst way to stop a transport catagory airplane. Get the wheels on the deck...thrust reverse to 90/80 knots...then brakes. And Boeing now recommends the use of autobrakes ALL the time not only for efficent stopping but to increase brake wear as well.
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Agree....Even on the RJ there are guys who swear by "aerodynamic braking." Then they say they don't want to slam the nosewheel on the ground. Well guess what....Do that every time and see what happens on a low approach into DCA on a snowy night with stiff crosswinds. Even on a long runway these guys lose lateral control of the aircraft holding the nose off and find themselves off centerline. Would ya' just put the nose down and start braking?!
 
I've only touched the brakes maybe twice landing my transport category aircraft. :) And we still only use about 1500ft of runway for landing.
 
jynxyjoe said:
A procedure that against common sense seems unlikely to be used widely. Sounds like a couple guys on here have just had some bad luck following the few that do it.

In fairness to jetblue I saw one of our saab 340's make american go around last night because he rolled all the way to M4. I was embarrassed for us.
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Really? Shoot I'm off at M6 all the time brotha! No sweat......:bandit:
 
JEP said:
If you're landing the ones it shouldnt be a problem... ;) But somehow I am thinking you are talking about landing the 19's....Daaaayuuuuuum Son...How in the world....?
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:yeahthat: What the hell were these "club" members flying?
 
Bigey said:
Haha i assumed that! But still, what kinda craft was able to pull that off?
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I've landed a 150 on the keys in BGR and made the end turn off before I got past the end of the keys. Thats less than 150 feet threshold to turn off.

I was lucky that nobody was coming down the taxiway, else i would have had to taxi 3000 feet down the runway, just to turn around and taxi 3000 feet back to the GA ramp.
 
Heard a story about a Henson (Piedmont) crew in Dash 7 landing in, I think, GSO. Anyway, on approach he tells ATC that they will use the first turnoff. A Piedmont (the original) waiting to take the runway comes over the radio and says something like "I want to see this." So the Henson crew does their best short-field landing, used every braking device they had, and then turned face-to-face with the Piedmont, before taxiing on down the runway and exiting. Who knows if it is true, but it's a good story.
 
CalCapt said:

"As I said earlier, this is not an attempt by me to criticize JetBlue."

Sorry. Guess I misread the title of the thread then....

In the end, it hardly smacks of professionalism, I think, to start a thread like this. <edited> But coming from CalCapt, it left me not only scratching my head, but feeling the need to speak out about publicly condemning a pilot group over a go around situation.

Sorry, but I've always felt like if the guy behind has to go around it was his problem for not allowing for proper spacing. Especially on a visual. I remember learning when I was 16 that if I hit a car from behind, it was always my fault. If you have to go around cause you think a guy was slow to exit, well, it's one thing to mutter it under your breath. It's another to start a thread about it at JC....
 
Okay, reopening this now.

[modhat]Please do not post angry. Please keep personal attacks out of here.[/modhat]

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...... I didn't want to completely squash this discussion, but it WILL be kept civil.
 
MQAAord said:
Okay, reopening this now.

[modhat]Please do not post angry. Please keep personal attacks out of here.[/modhat]

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...... I didn't want to completely squash this discussion, but it WILL be kept civil.
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Thanks, Amber. So, let's dissect this post in a non-judgmental way.

DE727UPS said:
CalCapt said:

"As I said earlier, this is not an attempt by me to criticize JetBlue."

Sorry. Guess I misread the title of the thread then....
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Oooh, irony! I tried to be ironic. Most people don't get it.

In the end, it hardly smacks of professionalism, I think, to start a thread like this. <edited> But coming from CalCapt, it left me not only scratching my head, but feeling the need to speak out about publicly condemning a pilot group over a go around situation.
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Why not call a spade a spade?

Sorry, but I've always felt like if the guy behind has to go around it was his problem for not allowing for proper spacing. Especially on a visual.
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Wow! Disagree. There are times, especially at busy airports when ATC tends to try to pack 10 pounds of stuff into a 5 pound bag. Of course, UPS and FedEx tend to have the luxury of operating at off peak hours, so you probably can't appreciate what CAL pilots and ATC specialists are up against in a high volume city like EWR. They're trying to maximize arrivals and departures. They use a concept called "anticipated separation". When a pilot or pilot group like jetBlue violates the standard (using the first available turnoff) the theory of anticipated separation goes down the toilet.

Here's an example I heard on the radio.

"Delta XXX maintain 180 to XXX, cleared for the approach to runway XXX."

"Negative, approach. Our policy is to be configured and on speed at the marker."

"Delta XXX fly heading 220 maintain 5000 while I build you a bigger hole."

In other words, my Brown friend, sometimes in the passenger biz, at rush hour, we're constrained by the physical size of the airspace exacerbated by a large number of airplanes trying to use it. No one expects you to understand that considering your arrivals and departures are generally at off-peak times.

I remember learning when I was 16 that if I hit a car from behind, it was always my fault. If you have to go around cause you think a guy was slow to exit, well, it's one thing to mutter it under your breath. It's another to start a thread about it at JC....
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Or maybe this forum is dedicated to educating young pilots as opposed to celebrating pilot egos.

Just something to think about.
 
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