Zero to Hero Concept

jynxyjoe said:
I am absolutely indicating, and in no uncertain terms, that my experience has universally shown women to get hired in preference to their male co-interviewees.
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(John Wayne voice) Well lemme tell ya, pilgrim...

A few weeks ago I was talking with a corporate aviation department manager at a very large corporation about becoming a corporate pilot. I asked what they look for in candidates and how I can best prepare myself for this career. We talked about flight times, education, networking and some other stuff.

During this discussion, one of the things he told me was that there is a very huge push on "diversity" and that even if I had the flight times and ratings required, females and minorities would get first priority (assuming they meet insurance minimums) and anglo-american males would be given last consideration regardless of experience and education.
 
Pilot84 said:
A CFI with 1500 hours flying the traffic pattern in a 152 is a lot more experienced than someone with 500 to fly a passenger aircraft? Lets get real, in my class there were pilots with 300 hours and 3000 hours. 4 of the hired that had over 3000 hours did not pass the sim while everyone else did.
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Where do you guys come up with this nonsense? I don't know of any CFI with a significant amount of time that spent most of their time flying patterns in a C152. A lot of the time is spent flying low and slow, performing maneuvers, stalling the airplane a million times, recovering from really botched power on stalls, etc. By being out there flying every day, you (as a PIC) are having to deal with weather, extreme crosswinds, CRM, etc. Looking back to when I was doing primary instruction, a very small percentage of my time was spent in the pattern.

I also don't know of any CFIs that didn't get their CFII pretty early on. Once you get the CFII, as an instructor you really learn a lot about the IFR system. It was invaluable to me when I moved on to kerosene burners, no question about it.

To those that point towards the military and their success with low time pilots, the screening process over at USAF is a little tighter than ERAU...
 
Socal321 said:
YOU may not feel prepared that's fine. The other guy or gal might, you shouldn't be knocking them for it. It all comes down to attitude and your experience, not flight time.
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You reserve the right to be a self-impressed snot-nosed know it all and I'll reserve the right to tell you to shut up and not touch anything. There's no conceivable way you're prepared to stay out of your own way in a cessna, let alone a jet at 250 hours. The fact that you think you are just means you're even further away.
 
Boris Badenov said:
You reserve the right to be a self-impressed snot-nosed know it all and I'll reserve the right to tell you to shut up and not touch anything. There's no conceivable way you're prepared to stay out of your own way in a cessna, let alone a jet at 250 hours. The fact that you think you are just means you're even further away.
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Low time pilots NEED to heed Boris' words. You don't know what you don't know at this stage in your flying career.
 
Boris Badenov said:
You reserve the right to be a self-impressed snot-nosed know it all and I'll reserve the right to tell you to shut up and not touch anything. There's no conceivable way you're prepared to stay out of your own way in a cessna, let alone a jet at 250 hours. The fact that you think you are just means you're even further away.
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That's fine and that is why it's more dangerous for a 250hour RJ fo to be flying a cessna vs a 121 jet in an crew environment. I litterally have friends that are furloughed now calling me now wondering if they should apply to pt135 ops because they're convinced they're going to kill themselves. It's not the same flying, you're part of a crew and everything's done for you. But I digress.....
 
Socal321 said:
That's fine and that is why it's more dangerous for a 250hour RJ fo to be flying a cessna vs a 121 jet in an crew environment. I litterally have friends that are furloughed now calling me now wondering if they should apply to pt135 ops because they're convinced they're going to kill themselves. It's not the same flying, you're part of a crew and everything's done for you. But I digress.....
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WOW!!! Where's the popcorn, again? I have the wine, I need popcorn...
 
Stone Cold said:
WOW!!! Where's the popcorn, again? I have the wine, I need popcorn...
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Uh yea.. hold the popcorn it's not very shocking. If you were trained exclusively to fly RJs from 250 hours you'd definitely feel more comfortable flying one in an emergency than flying a no gyro approach in a cub or a light twin single engine in icing. I'm not saying it's the traditional way but for many regional pilots that's how it's been for them the last several years.
 
Socal321 said:
Uh yea.. hold the popcorn it's not very shocking. If you were trained exclusively to fly RJs from 250 hours you'd definitely feel more comfortable flying one in an emergency than flying a no gyro approach in a cub or a light twin single engine in icing. I'm not saying it's the traditional way but for many regional pilots that's how it's been for them the last several years.
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Understood, and I don't really feel sorry for them. I know where their training has led them...right where a bunch of us said it would. Not being able to fly a 172 due to lack of structured environment. It is sad that you can upgrade at a regional but you are afraid of actually flying an airplane, be it 135 freight, charter, or skydivers. The reason I said the comment was 1) wine, and 2) you and I both know where this discussion will go. See the other low time threads. For a long time 121 guy (I think you've been in the game a few years anyways) to say 121 guys are afraid to fly anything but transport category airplanes is sad and scary. Why should the American public trust all these low time people when they can upgrade if they themselves are afraid "they're convinced they're going to kill themselves" if left alone???
 
Stone Cold said:
to say 121 guys are afraid to fly anything but transport category airplanes is sad and scary. Why should the American public trust all these low time people when they can upgrade if they themselves are afraid "they're convinced they're going to kill themselves" if left alone???
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Well I'm not saying 121 guys are afraid I'm saying the ones that went straight into airline flying are and should be. And I didn't say they're going to kill themselves when left alone in an airliner.
 
Socal321 said:
Well I'm not saying 121 guys are afraid I'm saying the ones that went straight into airline flying are and should be. And I didn't say they're going to kill themselves when left alone in an airliner.
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Sorry, I meant the low time guys that went straight to the airlines, and on your second point...so it's okay they feel they might kill themselves if left alone to fly a 210 but okay for them to upgrade in an airliner and command a transport category airliner? That was my point.
 
flyTotheSky said:
:deadhorse: :D
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TXaviator said:
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There's nothing wrong with discussing this issue. If you feel it's old and has been adequately addressed, you can go read a different thread. This isn't a company meeting you're trapped at where a never-ending discussion is keeping you from going home or anything.

And, while this topic does get discussed over and over again without any clear consensus being reached, I predict that it will continue to be discussed for many years to come.
 
We are using the number 250 hours because of the minimum hours for Part 61 commercial ticket, right? The reason I say this is because of the numerousl discussions that would occur about the "appropriate" hours many would say is necessary especially with the "ATP before regionals" thread being bantered.
 
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