Maurus
The Great Gazoo
That and the communication issues that should have been figured out 3 years ago should sum it up.
XJT TA Rejected!
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ross9238
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No need to get upset. It is fairly known how close our union is with management which led to the TA that we were just offered. As far as getting the reps we deserve, I guess that is something that we alone have to deal with. Thanks for your concern.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
He's a friend of mine and a damned good guy, so yeah, there is need to get upset. What the hell have you done to serve your fellow pilots?
ross9238
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You need to calm down. To answer your question I haven't done anything. Have I wanted to? Yes and right now I'm unable to but that is besides the point. Look man, people are going to say things about you and your friends but you can't get bend out of shape about everything. I just wrote what a lot of people were thinking and don't make it more than what was written. Did he accept a position from management? Probably not. A lot of people are vacating their positions so it was meant more as a joke than anything else. By the way, don't go pretending that you don't say anything negative about anyone.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Maurus said:
You on the L-XJT side? Right?
I am more than happy to highlight some of the internal issues that have caused these failures.
When you cut off your communication committee's ability to contribute to the "communications" related to negotiations, you're gonna get a pilot group that isn't satisfied with what you're selling them.
On the L-ASA side I released a communication survey late last fall. The results were encouraging, at least to me and my counterpart.
Those who participated highlighted that we (ASA Comm Committee) were doing great communicating to our pilots with regards to safety, scheduling, contract infringement, reserve questions, deadhead issues, pay errors, etc., but those who participated expressed a high level of dissatisfaction with the frequency and content of communications (JNC Update) regarding negotiations. Of course, I imagine most members of even our MEC recall there being a survey, much less care to hear our findings. Some folks are not too receptive to being told their perceptions are incorrect.
Over the past three years we (as a committee) tried very hard to provide assistance and have, regularly, been kept out of the process. Those bad seeds, planted by failed leadership (and perhaps too many lawyers worrying about minimizing risk vs. open, transparent, and honest dialogue with constituents) grew a poor communication crop that finally poisoned a pilot group yielding a loss of credibility and reputation.
I am not terribly optimistic that any of that will change going forward. I think that with some new visions, new people in leadership positions, and an acceptance that things have been executed poorly by those on their way out, the page can turn and those of us with professional communication skills can contribute positively to improve things rather than being mothballed and placed on the shelf.
What is amazing to me though (as a communication strategist) is that both pilot groups have come together, unified for a brighter future - largely centered around the power of social media. Your voices were heard once, make them heard again. This Union is YOURS, take ownership in it. Without your voice, those you elect will be free to run things how they see fit. Speak up.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
ross9238, thank you for the reminder about why I stopped posting here for a couple of months. Now back to it.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
ATN_Pilot said:
Ross is a good one too Todd. Even if he isn't able to directly contribute, he is certainly free to his opinion.
I don't see Dave heading into management. That said, from A LOT of pilots, they wouldn't have been able to point him out of a line up. He has stayed busy and of course it has, like any volunteer or elected individual, cost a lot. There is no doubt he has made sacrifices in his professional and personal life for, what he imagined, would be for the overall benefit of this pilot group.
A recommendation, if they were to ask me, is that our next cadre of MEC Officers commit to in person visits to a lounge every month and utilizing a regular YouTube "From The Officers" series to build recognition. But - that also means that these individuals need to embrace the medium. These two basic things would go a long way to improving the basic connecting fabric between the "pilot group" and the "MEC."
ross9238
Well-Known Member
ATN if I offended you or your friend, I will gladly say that I apologize. I do want you to know that everyone is entitled to their opinion like you are to yours. I also want you to know that I appreciate you and others such as Dave who have dedicated their time to help other pilots.
CRJDriver
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Bingo!
motormadness24
Well-Known Member
135's I'm not exactly sure, probably through sometime this year
22 145's Dec 31, 2015
220 145's Nov 21, 2020.
14 CRJ's Dec 31, 2015
ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
Never understood how Brad said at the training center that one day during road shows about 40+ planes being parked this summer. Even the data he out out indicated commitments past that.motormadness24 said:
motormadness24
Well-Known Member
It's all about the sell.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Yup. The whole "company going under/getting rid of most of the flying in a year" thing is just fear propagating through the pilot group for no reason. The people on the L-XJT side will be around till at least 2020. By then the industry will have dramatically changed.
I have no idea what the Delta contracts look like.
adk
Steals Hotel Toilet Paper
What's to stop Skywest inc from trading in the 145s for bigger RJs and then placing all of the new RJs at Skywest Airlines?
motormadness24
Well-Known Member
It's all in the Skywest 10K. Like @Maurus said, if mainline wanted to trade in these planes and be placed at SkyPest, it would require an entirely new CPA and the one with ExpressJet to be terminated. I have not done a ton of reading on the CRJ side, but some highlights include:
14 CRJ 200's expiring with United at the end of 2015
11 CRJ 200's expiring with American at the end of 2017
Skywest Inc. expects 66 CRJ 200's operating at ExpressJet to leave the Delta feed by the end of 2015. However, of the 66 CR2's, 41 are leased so in theory 25 of those planes could find different homes. Unlikely, but possible.
14 CRJ 200's expiring with United at the end of 2015
11 CRJ 200's expiring with American at the end of 2017
Skywest Inc. expects 66 CRJ 200's operating at ExpressJet to leave the Delta feed by the end of 2015. However, of the 66 CR2's, 41 are leased so in theory 25 of those planes could find different homes. Unlikely, but possible.
adk
Steals Hotel Toilet Paper
Right. And the CEO of ExpressJet reports to Skywest Inc. board of directors. Not to mention your CEO worked for Skywest for 20 years and is still (rumour has it) on the Skywest pilot seniority list.
Also, it wouldn't be a transfer if Skywest Inc. signs a CPA for more E175s for Skywest Airlines contingent on the cancellation of the ExpressJet ERJ CPA and the return of the ERJs to the lessor.
DStu
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That's good. We don't want you.