Will go anywhere.

ChasenSFO said:
A wise first officer who lurks these very forums once warned me over lunch at an Asian Buffet:

"There are two kinds of women pilots. Those who fly because they love it and thats what they've always wanted to do, just like us. Then there are those who do it to prove something to all the men in the world. Steer clear of the second kind."
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Hey, what about those of us that just found out we love flying? :)
 
ppragman said:
Everybody has something to prove. Everybody.
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True. But the difference, IMHO, is to whom they are trying to prove something and why. While I respect the person who is challenging him/her self (proving success to one's self), I'm generally ambivalent to the person who finds it necessary to constantly be "one-upping" (trying to prove something to others). That type of person usually misses a lot of knowledge along the way due to ego.

Stomp16 said:
Just stumbled across this thread. :popcorn: That was a good waste of ten minutes! :D
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Same here. Very entertaining.
 
ChasenSFO said:
A wise first officer who lurks these very forums once warned me over lunch at an Asian Buffet:

"There are two kinds of women pilots. Those who fly because they love it and thats what they've always wanted to do, just like us. Then there are those who do it to prove something to all the men in the world. Steer clear of the second kind."
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What about the women who only turn into driven gunslingers who can't stand nonsense when they are being completely serious?

Hate saying this after the fact, but I have always loved flying and always wanted to do it.

However, I am also very new to the industry in extremely hard times. I needed a job and I knew plenty of others in my class or who graduated before me, who haven't been able to find work. And its not that I have something against men, or something to prove, as much as I'm determined to present myself as the best, both in form and actuality.

I'm not a woman who feels as though as though she has anything to prove, nor do I hate men. I'm a driven young woman is striving to insure her future in aviation.
 
I'm not thinking this is a gender thing at all.

I bet MOST of the people on this board are driven to insure they futures in this industry. The "nonsense" as you put it above, does not in any way take away from that. What it does is help us have FUN. There is nothing wrong with that. Where I work we do all sorts of fun things. Like gluing things to peoples desk, or covering it with post-it notes. All in fun. So we don't burn out.

All work and no plays gives you a heart attack when you are 38. Food for thought.
 
saria19 said:
I'm not a woman who feels as though as though she has anything to prove, nor do I hate men.
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Whoa, lady, you really sound like you do!

As much as I'd like to sympathize, I just can't.

All the guy-pilots that I've dealt with so far have been incredibly supportive and encouraging. Sure, sometimes people make gender-related jokes, so what?? Very few people would actually want to offend you,and if they do, who cares what some idiot thinks.

My thinking is: you don't have to be the best at flying to "insure you career"-no one can be. EVERYBODY makes mistakes. But do the best you can to constantly be in the process of increasing your knowledge and proficiency. Don't act like you're made of steel either. Being incapable of admitting your weaknesses and just puts you in an unfavorable situation.

IMHO.
 
FlyChicaga said:
I'm not sure why I feel compelled to write this, but I do...

After living with some female pilots in college (who are very good friends to this day), I found quickly that as a woman working in a male-dominated environment, many times you are almost forced to just roll with the jokes and seemingly "sexist" comments.

Why would you be expected to put up with such behavior? Well, because that is how men operate... You'll see men teasing men about any multitude of things, and we normally take it in stride. It's not personal, because to a man, teasing and joking is a form of "affection." It's "acceptance." The same goes for men "accepting" women in this highly male-dominated field. Do you truly believe most of the men really believe women are sub-standard pilots? Maybe a very small percentage... But if you look, you'll find that most male pilots have a very respectable view of their female co-workers.

Case in point: We were reviewing an event that occurred at our company today during a CRM class I was facilitating. There was a female captain in the class, sitting right in front of me. I kept saying, "he or she" while referring to the crew that participated in the event in question. At one point, out of curiosity, the captain in my class asked, "so wait, was this a woman here?" She asked because of my continued use of "he/she." I responded, "of course not, do you think a woman pilot could pull of something like this?" Obviously it was sarcasm, and she took it as such. We all had a good laugh. It was a pleasure having lunch with her and a few other pilots today, and it didn't create a "rift" in our professional relationship.

This does not just apply to the male/female differences in aviation. This applies to many different situations we find ourselves as professional pilots. Honestly, in my personal experiences, you'll find that joking and teasing each other about our differences is a way of accepting them. That's likely what you are seeing in this very thread.

I hope I'm explaining myself correctly... When I have coffee tomorrow I'll re-read this and maybe expand on my explanation. Thoughts?
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Bravo!
 
saria19 said:
And its not that I have something against men, or something to prove, as much as I'm determined to present myself as the best, both in form and actuality.

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Hate to say it, but you failed in the sense of humor department, with this thread and your first impression of yourself you presented within it. Re-read your posts, they come across as stuck-up, chip on shoulder stuff.

It's not a crime to smile and have fun.
 
THe first impression can be overcome for he best. Just go start a thread in the lav. Somewhere in the thread there must be a mention of hitler, one crazy news story from florida, at least one mention of poop, and an invoking of Christ.

Make that happen and all will be redeemed.
 
And did you get that job you told us about last month? How do you like it? Now that you've settled in any chance you might pay it forward/back and let us know if they had any other positions? How about places you talked to, did you squirrel up any gouge on places that might have an opening?
 
vikingair said:
And did you get that job you told us about last month? How do you like it? Now that you've settled in any chance you might pay it forward/back and let us know if they had any other positions? How about places you talked to, did you squirrel up any gouge on places that might have an opening?
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Yes I did get that job that I told you about last month and have started already. Plenty of fun to had here, and both the students and staff are great!

As for jobs that had, they were looking to hire someone to teach part-time, but they made it clear to me that they already had someone in mind, a previous employee of theirs. And I'm afraid that I don't know of anyone else in the area.

As for where this job is, think along the lines of so close to the border of Mexico that I'm exempt from US taxes.
 
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