Why do employers ask this? Honestly I think it's just for amusement in case they happen to get the occasional person that says they want to be Fedex captains. Someone I knew actually said the exact thing.... didn't get the job...
Will go anywhere.
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Why do employers ask this? Honestly I think it's just for amusement in case they happen to get the occasional person that says they want to be Fedex captains. Someone I knew actually said the exact thing.... didn't get the job...
Ahh, because the average Joe is either (a) going to have the contrast perception to see the disclaimer or (b) chooses to randomly highlight text on an internet forum?
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saria19
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(Glares) The last time someone dared to say that I wasn't going to be good at something because I was female, I insured that at the end of the semester there wasn't a single male who had a higher grade than me.
So please be respectful of the fact that we are not in the 1700's and keep such sexist comments from passing your lips.
Firebird2XC
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desertdog71
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Florida has the most schools, so you may already be in the right place. Forget about jobs on job boards because you have to compete with 1000 applicants. Take a couple days and visit schools in your area, just walk in and ask for a job. I am sure I will get some remarks, but I seriously think that is your best bet. After the first job it turns into a who you know situation, more so than what you know.
CRJDriver
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Wow.... where did that come from?
As far as CFI jobs go, I would start looking in Arizona, as some of these foreign schools will probably get some new students here soon. A few months ago I heard TransPac Academy will be opening another campus and they might be hiring some more CFIs. I don't know what the status is on that, but I know we have a few guys on here that work there. I have a direct contact to the CFI recruiter, PM me if you want it. A few other schools that might be worth checking out in Arizona are Sabena Airline Training Center, Airline Training Center Arizona, Oxford Aviation Academy and Westwind School of Aeronautics.
Firebird2XC
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saria19
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Reason I posted this is because I did check around, physically showing up at various schools and did that for over a month now. No one was hiring, and moreover, they didn't see themselves hiring anyone new for several more months.
As for this post though, I have managed to find a job. I will have to move out of state, but I think it will be worth it. My gratitude to those who did try to help.
I don't think that's much of an issue in this industry
So you're not willing to go anywhere. Darn false advertising in your thread title.......
saria19
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So you're not willing to go anywhere. Darn false advertising in your thread title.......
No, just thought that the line "within reason" should have been obvious.
FlyChicaga
Vintage Restoration
I'm not sure why I feel compelled to write this, but I do...
After living with some female pilots in college (who are very good friends to this day), I found quickly that as a woman working in a male-dominated environment, many times you are almost forced to just roll with the jokes and seemingly "sexist" comments.
Why would you be expected to put up with such behavior? Well, because that is how men operate... You'll see men teasing men about any multitude of things, and we normally take it in stride. It's not personal, because to a man, teasing and joking is a form of "affection." It's "acceptance." The same goes for men "accepting" women in this highly male-dominated field. Do you truly believe most of the men really believe women are sub-standard pilots? Maybe a very small percentage... But if you look, you'll find that most male pilots have a very respectable view of their female co-workers.
Case in point: We were reviewing an event that occurred at our company today during a CRM class I was facilitating. There was a female captain in the class, sitting right in front of me. I kept saying, "he or she" while referring to the crew that participated in the event in question. At one point, out of curiosity, the captain in my class asked, "so wait, was this a woman here?" She asked because of my continued use of "he/she." I responded, "of course not, do you think a woman pilot could pull of something like this?" Obviously it was sarcasm, and she took it as such. We all had a good laugh. It was a pleasure having lunch with her and a few other pilots today, and it didn't create a "rift" in our professional relationship.
This does not just apply to the male/female differences in aviation. This applies to many different situations we find ourselves as professional pilots. Honestly, in my personal experiences, you'll find that joking and teasing each other about our differences is a way of accepting them. That's likely what you are seeing in this very thread.
I hope I'm explaining myself correctly... When I have coffee tomorrow I'll re-read this and maybe expand on my explanation. Thoughts?
After living with some female pilots in college (who are very good friends to this day), I found quickly that as a woman working in a male-dominated environment, many times you are almost forced to just roll with the jokes and seemingly "sexist" comments.
Why would you be expected to put up with such behavior? Well, because that is how men operate... You'll see men teasing men about any multitude of things, and we normally take it in stride. It's not personal, because to a man, teasing and joking is a form of "affection." It's "acceptance." The same goes for men "accepting" women in this highly male-dominated field. Do you truly believe most of the men really believe women are sub-standard pilots? Maybe a very small percentage... But if you look, you'll find that most male pilots have a very respectable view of their female co-workers.
Case in point: We were reviewing an event that occurred at our company today during a CRM class I was facilitating. There was a female captain in the class, sitting right in front of me. I kept saying, "he or she" while referring to the crew that participated in the event in question. At one point, out of curiosity, the captain in my class asked, "so wait, was this a woman here?" She asked because of my continued use of "he/she." I responded, "of course not, do you think a woman pilot could pull of something like this?" Obviously it was sarcasm, and she took it as such. We all had a good laugh. It was a pleasure having lunch with her and a few other pilots today, and it didn't create a "rift" in our professional relationship.
This does not just apply to the male/female differences in aviation. This applies to many different situations we find ourselves as professional pilots. Honestly, in my personal experiences, you'll find that joking and teasing each other about our differences is a way of accepting them. That's likely what you are seeing in this very thread.
I hope I'm explaining myself correctly... When I have coffee tomorrow I'll re-read this and maybe expand on my explanation. Thoughts?
Very well put...and you're right we as men do joke/tease to show how comfortable we feel around each other. It's just our nature.
I've had girls that I used to BS around with ask me about this subject before, and I always reply "the reason that I give you a hard time about [insert subject here] is because I like you and feel comfortable around you, otherwise I just would NOT talk to you." That is my thoughts on the matter.
I've had girls that I used to BS around with ask me about this subject before, and I always reply "the reason that I give you a hard time about [insert subject here] is because I like you and feel comfortable around you, otherwise I just would NOT talk to you." That is my thoughts on the matter.
But they have them. Man SHOW!
Female pilots are generally good, they have to work that much harder and do things a little better than the guys. Attitude kills everything though. Watch the train scene in Casino Royale.