Will Delta Pilot's strike?
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Maximilian_Jenius
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husky16 said:
If they do strike don't expect to hear about it in advance from ANY of the Delta pilots on the board. Too many company spies out there. So if they do you will hear about when the media does fyi.
-Matthew
Maximilian_Jenius
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viper548 said:
Done...PM me again!
-Matthew
A strike is hardly a surprise.
Hopefully the company will come to its' collective senses before such an action becomes necessary.
NOBODY wants a strike to happen, it's bad for everyone. It is, though, a step that must sometimes be taken.
As for blaming the pilot group for 'shutting the company down', or 'causing it to go out of business', let's not forget about all the bad management decisions that have occured, the debt raked in over the past several years and just the general mis-management in general of this company. If the company goes down, the pilot's have NOT been the main cause.
Hopefully the company will come to its' collective senses before such an action becomes necessary.
NOBODY wants a strike to happen, it's bad for everyone. It is, though, a step that must sometimes be taken.
As for blaming the pilot group for 'shutting the company down', or 'causing it to go out of business', let's not forget about all the bad management decisions that have occured, the debt raked in over the past several years and just the general mis-management in general of this company. If the company goes down, the pilot's have NOT been the main cause.
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Absolutely. I don't openly comment on company matters on the open internet.
Trust me, the 'powers that be' watch this site far more than you realize.
But in case you're wondering, flying a MD-88/90 isn't a whole lot cooler than flying a Cessna so I can get my flying fix whatever I do. I'm not willing to sell out out my personal life for the 'priviledge' of flying a jet at all.
(STFD!
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DE727UPS
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Personally, I think the pilots should take it to a strike. I think it will take that for management to deal fairly in this situation. I think DL's to much of a viable business for management to let in all go down the tubes over a few percentage points in pilot pay. They are bluffing and it's time a pilot group calls the bluff. Northwest guys should do the same thing.
B767Driver
New Member
My evaluation is that DL management's request to the bankruptcy court has grossly overstated their need. DL says they need pilot costs to be .82 cents per seat mile to restructure their business plan. ALPA says this proposal will lower them to .62 cents per seat mile.
You be the judge.
You be the judge.
DE727UPS said:
It may be too late on the NWA side. They just agreed to 23.9% temp pay cuts in order to buy them some time so the bk judge doesn't impose the companies wanted cuts. I believe the numbers on voting were like 64% approve. The number that really caught my eye is close to 20% of those eligible did not even cast votes. I wouldn't think all would vote, but for something so important, that seems like a very high number. If the pilots were going to stand up, I would think they would have done that when the mechanics struck?
B767Driver
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NWA is laying off about 20% of their pilots...so they probably don't even care anymore...hence didn't care to vote.
tonyw
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husky16 said:
I think it's in very poor taste to come to an internet board run by a Delta pilot and ask that question. It is not something that should be speculated on here.
Now, going away from that, if there were talks about a strike, and discussions about that among union members, would you, if you were in charge of those discussions, divulge your tactics on a public bulletin board?
No intelligent person would do that, so you can't expect that to happen here.
Why should it not be speculated here? Alot of things are speculated on here.
Like I said, I don't know alot about it, I am trying to get a feel for what people think might happen with an open discussion. I don't expect Doug or anyone else who is directly involved to divulge any information. That would be completely idiotic to expect that. But we can sure have an intelligent discussion on what we think might and/or should happen to the one of world's biggest airlines, right?
So, in that context, I do not think it was in poor taste to ask a pertinent question about a current issue in our industry.
Like I said, I don't know alot about it, I am trying to get a feel for what people think might happen with an open discussion. I don't expect Doug or anyone else who is directly involved to divulge any information. That would be completely idiotic to expect that. But we can sure have an intelligent discussion on what we think might and/or should happen to the one of world's biggest airlines, right?
So, in that context, I do not think it was in poor taste to ask a pertinent question about a current issue in our industry.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
husky16 said:
But you would never start a thread about "shorting" Delta right?
:whatever:
-Matthew
Tim
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Doug for what it is worth I am standing behind you guys 100%. At least you have a voice in what goes on. I know personally of many of ramp guys in ATL that support the pilots in this fight. We (rampers) may not have always agreed with ALPA and its doings but in this case you (ALPA) has alot of support from the non-union folks.
We all know a strike would be beyond terrible but these problems go back long before Jerry took over and as usual Delta the were reactive instead of proactive. If you guys have to strike as bad as it will hurt so be it. Maybe then management will wake up. I read today that the DL managements dont think the pilots will strike but looks like the rally they had today in ATL was successfully with pilots and wives there. I know you know this but you pilots have to protect your family and quality of life. The management team doesnt realize that like many other employees pilots to have other ways of income that they have been running for years. Employees now longer wait on DL to take care of them like the old days. Good luck to the pilots and well I can wear my orange vest and protest with you if you dont mind.
We all know a strike would be beyond terrible but these problems go back long before Jerry took over and as usual Delta the were reactive instead of proactive. If you guys have to strike as bad as it will hurt so be it. Maybe then management will wake up. I read today that the DL managements dont think the pilots will strike but looks like the rally they had today in ATL was successfully with pilots and wives there. I know you know this but you pilots have to protect your family and quality of life. The management team doesnt realize that like many other employees pilots to have other ways of income that they have been running for years. Employees now longer wait on DL to take care of them like the old days. Good luck to the pilots and well I can wear my orange vest and protest with you if you dont mind.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
husky16 said:
Whaaaaa...you must not be following me or not know what "shorting" is. I brought that up because we had a guy come in here and start a threat about shorting the stock.
So after that you really don't know what someone would bring to the boards be it respectful or plain out disgusting.
So were really protective of pilots on the board who are going through mngmt problems not just now but any in the future. This is a very pro-pilot board. Can't apoligize for Tony but sure he didn't mean to jump down your throat if thats how you took it.
-Matthew
Personally, I think it's part of a larger effort to bring wages down to third world levels, flush the airlines of talent and then push for relaxing cabotage laws because they can't fill seats long term.
Personally, if the company goes extinct, big friggen deal. I don't think they're counting on a young guy with that type of attitude. And there's a lot of us.
I have no problem with doing something else, or developing a wider, more comprehensive business and getting off of the "New American Slavery" train of being anyone's employee where I'm supposed to be gracious and thankful that I have just enough to get my RDA of 3000 calories and a roof over my head. Life is too short and it moves fast.
Flying airplanes is fun, but if I can't make an income requisite to the amount of experience, training and personal sacrifice, they can take the 'shiney jets' and park 'em someplace where they won't shine.
I've still got my private pilot's license, so I can still fly!
That's about all I'll say! Have a nice day!
Personally, if the company goes extinct, big friggen deal. I don't think they're counting on a young guy with that type of attitude. And there's a lot of us.
I have no problem with doing something else, or developing a wider, more comprehensive business and getting off of the "New American Slavery" train of being anyone's employee where I'm supposed to be gracious and thankful that I have just enough to get my RDA of 3000 calories and a roof over my head. Life is too short and it moves fast.
Flying airplanes is fun, but if I can't make an income requisite to the amount of experience, training and personal sacrifice, they can take the 'shiney jets' and park 'em someplace where they won't shine.
I've still got my private pilot's license, so I can still fly!
That's about all I'll say!
Have a nice day!
yea.. us wives are in on standing ground as well - even some of the regional wives are fed up with the crap their taking in the rear end (shuttle america anyone? what a joke!) and they know that if the DL pilots don't take a stand, they don't have a chance in the world of making things better... so they're also willing to stand with the DL pilots & wives...Tim said:
isn't that something?!
one thing I do notice as I read the declarations from the CFO, VP etc (notice, the CEO doesn't have a declaration for Section 1113) to push through Section 1113 - one thing is clear.. they keep bringing up other airlines and how those airlines have been able to get concessions thereby lowering the mins for competetiveness (?)...and that, to me, seems to be what the whole deal is about - bk just a small portion of that... but they want to remain "competetive with other airllines"...
oh and if nobody else has noticed - the $$ they're asking for via media is $325 mil.. but in actuality, it's $339 mil...and if they really need the $$, they wouldn't include non-cost issues like the furlough clause and so forth...just my 0.02...
my question is - when it comes to pilots, how does being competetive even come into the situation when everything is based on seniority and nobody is hiring???? competetive is only good if your hiring... since DL isn't hiring and if a DL pilot were to leave - he/she'd have to start back at the bottom of the barrel as far as seniority goes - so what's the freekin point of the whole competetive thing?