Why freight over regionals???

Kingairer said:
For every regional jet out there , someone is logging SIC and someone is logging PIC.
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Okay...:whatever: Is this another Kingairism or whatever, or are you providing input to the discussion?
 
Many post keep comparing SIC RJ time to PIC baron (or similar)...However the SIC can be a temporary thing as people upgrade. So in a short time, perhaps, you could be logging PIC. That needs to be brought into the equation.
 
So in a short time, perhaps, you could be logging PIC.
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Or, in a very long time you could be logging PIC. I'm not saying Baron time is so much better than RJ SIC time...I actually consider them about the same...useless, except for adding to TT. Don't use you could upgrade very quickly for a mini major, though. How are the upgrades looking at Express Jet right now? They were the "regional to go to", according to some. American Eagle? Comair? It's all up in the air at each mini major as to how long upgrades are. It could be great for you, and it could be very painful to watch. Each MM could be good, depending on timing, and each one could be the worst decision you ever made.

Better make sure you're happy where you're at, as we've seen in the past.
 
txpilot said:
Or, in a very long time you could be logging PIC. I'm not saying Baron time is so much better than RJ SIC time...I actually consider them about the same...useless, except for adding to TT. Don't use you could upgrade very quickly for a mini major, though. How are the upgrades looking at Express Jet right now? They were the "regional to go to", according to some. American Eagle? Comair? It's all up in the air at each mini major as to how long upgrades are. It could be great for you, and it could be very painful to watch. Each MM could be good, depending on timing, and each one could be the worst decision you ever made.

Better make sure you're happy where you're at, as we've seen in the past.
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Express Jet? I dont think theyve lost anything yet, infact, look for more paint swapping to continue. I would say industry wide, a 1 year upgrade is quick, 3 average, and 5 Long.
 
Glad the Koolade tastes good! Yes, Express Jet is in the air, but I don't think the people on furlough from Mesaba, Comair, or the others out there would agree with your rosy picture of the Mini Majors.
 
Im not sure how im drinking Koolaide when im telling you the avg upgrade times, appox, at regionals out there.
 
I'm just wondering if your "avg upgrade times, appox, at regionals out there" includes all the furloughees, Indy, and others out there, along with those who haven't upgraded in years...just curious. That's the Koolade I'm talking about. Yes, there's GLakes, who else upgrades in 1 year? Also, for those hired at 300-500 hours, etc., how quickly are they upgrading? Isn't the minimum upgrade time around 2500-3000TT? Just curious how you got your numbers...Scientific study, or pulling out your arse?
 
Kingairer said:
Express Jet? I dont think theyve lost anything yet, infact, look for more paint swapping to continue. I would say industry wide, a 1 year upgrade is quick, 3 average, and 5 Long.
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:yeahthat: Newest Perm Bid just out... XJT Junior Capt going to Summer '04 hires.
 
E_Dawg said:
Just an observation but txpilot, you almost sound defensive.
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Defensive...nah. Frustrated, saddened, distraught, maybe. Not defensive.

Bob,

That's great!!! I wish y'all the best over there.

Just answer my question, though, on the other regionals I mentioned and how their upgrades are going. Where are y'all getting your upgrade times from? All regionals or the ones you want to look at?
 
Thinking about it, distraught is too strong...we'll stick with frustrated and saddened to see the industry like it is.
 
txpilot said:
Thinking about it, distraught is too strong...we'll stick with frustrated and saddened to see the industry like it is.
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I ask this honestly, whom do you think is responsible for the current state of the industry?
 
txpilot said:
Defensive...nah. Frustrated, saddened, distraught, maybe. Not defensive.

Bob,

That's great!!! I wish y'all the best over there.

Just answer my question, though, on the other regionals I mentioned and how their upgrades are going. Where are y'all getting your upgrade times from? All regionals or the ones you want to look at?
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Are there no freight operators with guys on furlough ? I believe there is. ARe the majors terrible companies because they have guys on furlough also? Its the fact of life, and a fact of aviation, maybe not for the 135 operators of the world. How many freight dawgs have lost routes b/c there company lost a contract freight bid? Does the new company now have trouble looking at themselves " in the mirror" as you put it? Is ramp 66, tarheel, pirate, etc still running some of the eastern NC routes....they arent....wonder what happened to them? ....And thats just in one state and in one region. I decided to do a little research since i pulled the times out of my own ass, so this is what airline pilot central says...which is close to be up to date....

Jr capt Date of hire
Air wis...Oct 2003
Big sky...Oct 2004
Boston-Maine...2005
CHQ....March 2004
Colgan...Jan 2006
Commutair...may2004
Era...Apr 2000
Lakes...Apr 2005
Horizon...Oct 99
Island Air...Oct 2004
Mesaba..Mar 2001
PDT...Mar 2001
Pinnacle...Apr 2005
PSA....Jun 2001
Skyway...Oct 2005
TransStates...feb 2004
Eagle...June 99
ASA...July 2001
Comair...Feb 2002
ExpressJet...Jan 2005
Mesa...Aug 2005
Skywest...Jan 2005

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/

I would say my ass was pretty close, Im sure youll disagree. So there is all of them...and not the ones "I just want to look at".
 
Kingairer said:
Jr capt Date of hire - ExpressJet...Jan 2005
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Ummm, no... Or I'd be a hoopin' and a holarin' right now. ;)

The rest of their info on XJT looks pretty accurate with the exception of the statement "-Continental will pull 69 aircraft from ExpressJet in Jan 2007" We'll know by September what our company (XJT) decides to do with the aircraft. Either way... things are going to get really bad... or really good. Sooooo... we'll see.

Kingairer said:
Eagle...June 99
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Holy crap!
 
It's a lost cause, txpilot. Just like you said in your first post on this thread, and why I haven't even bothered replying.

People would line up in droves to fly for "mini majors" (I like that) if they paid $5/hr.

I'd love to actually contribute to the real topic of this thread, but I don't think I'll bother wasting my time.

To each his own, I have nothing against regional pilots. It's just not for me, and freight is. I know (and I'm sure you do too) that you and I aren't the only ones, tx.

I've turned to being indifferent lately, and its much less stressful. I'll keep doing what I'm doing, and everyone else can do the same. Life's too short.
 
EatSleepFly said:
I'd love to actually contribute to the real topic of this thread, but I don't think I'll bother wasting my time.
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The best way to discuss this subject is to put forth the facts, and let others decide vs. try and convince someone their/your way is better than the other, IMO. Like you said, it totally depends on the person. You posted your typical schedule here not too long ago and it's stuff like that that'll help someone decide if they wanted to fly for a regional vs. flying freight.

I think there are a lot of misconceptions on both sides - ie the $18k ALL regional pilots earn:) and the freight dawgs that fly through EVERYTHING and go no matter what :).

Asking a general question like "why freight over regionals" is a loaded question IMO. Brings back memories of debate team stuff...:).
 
Good post!

wheelsup said:
Asking a general question like "why freight over regionals" is a loaded question IMO. Brings back memories of debate team stuff...:).
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Alright then, if anyone has an "unloaded" question about freight, I'll do my best. :):)
 
Thats the difference ESF...You state that frieght it for you...which is great...TX POV is that he wouldnt lower himself to fly for a regional, and that he can sleep at night because he doesnt work for one.
 
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