Re: Can you believe these Pan Amers?
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OHHH somebody got found out, To evertyone who wants to know, mavmb1 is a "destructor" at Sawyer I have an extermely reliable source who has informed me. mavmb1 also has had to fill out a couple of NASA forms to cover up his stupiity of entering the pattern in the wrong direction not once but TWICE at Falcon Field WITH a student on borad. I've got more info if anyone is interested. So They are right "MAV YOU ARE DANGEROUS"
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Extremely reliable source? I think not.
CRASH A LESSON GONE BAD
Thomas Ropp
The Arizona Republic
Dec 13, 2003 12:00 AM
NORTHEAST VALLEY – A federal report points to instructor error as the cause of a Nov 24 crash northeast of Fountain Hills that injured two in a small plane.
The Scottsdale Republic has learned that the certified flight instructor, David Sapp, has been suspended from his job with Sawyer Aviation out of the Scottsdale Airport and has had difficulties at two other training schools.
According to details released by the National Transportation Safety Board, Sapp was teaching a student how to fly a Cessna 172. It’s customary in checkouts for students to perform a series of basic maneuvers including stalls, slow flight, S-turns and simulated emergency landings. During the emergency landing drill, pilots fly without power while looking for an appropriate place to land. Pilots are supposed to fly no lower than 500 feet above the ground before restoring power and resuming normal flight. The NTSB report says the student attempted to restore power at the appropriate time, but Sapp took over and insisted they go lower, to 20 feet above the ground. The report goes on:
“As the airplane continued its descent, he (the student) became worried about the CFI’s (certified flight instructor’s) conduct. However, he did not say anything.”
The propeller hit the ground, and Sapp lost control of the plane. Neither man received serious injuries.
Sapp, 47, a resident of Glendale, insists what really happened is the student had control of the plane and panicked.
“The NTSB investigator told me that they were going to blame me for this,” Sapp said. “And yes, I am responsible because I have a higher certification. And yes, we shouldn’t have been that low. But the report is wrong.”
Sapp also said he feels it’s unfair that he was suspended from Sawyer.
Four months ago, Sapp worked for Southwest Flight Center, also out of Scottsdale Airport. Gary Lewin, president of the Southwest Flight Center, said his company came to a mutual agreement with Sapp that he should leave.
Sapp says he quit.
Two years earlier Sapp was fired from Glendale Aviation after fighting with another flight instructor. Sapp admits this, but says the other instructor attacked him.
Hyrum Miller president of the Scottsdale Airport Sawyer Aviation Facility, said Sapp is suspended for at least six months while the Federal Aviation Administration investigates.
“David just made a classic blunder that many pilots make,” Miller said. “They get overconfident and put themselves in a position where they have no options. The facts are he was too low and too slow.”
The FAA could suspend or terminate Sapp’s pilot’s license. He could also be required to attend training. Sapp said he already has two other job offers.
You can view the NTSB investigation at
www.ntsb.gov and click on accident reports.
Reach the reporter at
Thomas.ropp@scottsdalerepublic.com or at (602) 444 – 6880.
VIEW THE FOUNTAIN HILLS NTSB ACCIDENT REPORT HERE
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Ha, extremely reliable source. You know maybe Pan Am can hire this guy now that he's unemployed.
Anyway, this has to be my favorite Pan Am thread ever. Since my other thread was brought back up to the top, I figure I'd move this one back up too.
Just look at the type of people from Pan Am and how they act. JustforFun, EB6, LIMA Charlie, and the list just goes on and on and on. Now would you really want a dishonest person like this giving you a stagecheck and taking your money?
Seriously, all of these personal attacks, just because someone says something bad about their school! These people are unbelievable. I never thought that when I gave a negative opinion about a school that everything would get this carried away. And I think for everyone's information, amusement, whatever -- this thread summarizes all the madness the best! One of the jetcareers classics!