motrboatr
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What needs to happen to re-open contract negotiations?
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esw2005 said:
Here are Barack's guidelines for strengthening America's transportation infrastructure (relevant sections quoted below):
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/FactSheetTransportation.pdf
GnW
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what, you dont think LM would pay better than the FAA?
FLIGHT SERVICE makes more than most controllers at a level 8 facility for pete's sake. hell, lockheed pays me more than an ATC trainee right now and i just work in the flippin' DYSIM.
Just a quick heads up from what I have seen in the two months I have been at my new facility. Unless you go to a level 9 or higher, you don't get a raise after being checked out on FD/GC. At my facility, you have to check out on FD/GC as well as GC1 and GC2 to even get your first raise! Thus I am sitting at $33,000 plus locality until then. Also, getting your training hours is not easy....it is a challenge to get them....FYI:banghead:
I was at my center in Kansas on Labor Day and they told me you don't get your first pay raise until checking out on 4 D-sides. Other places from what I've heard is after only 3. They said this takes about 7-8 months. If ERAM goes into affect as scheduled, that pushes training back another 6 months. That's roughly a year and a half before the first pay raise. Luckily, looks like ERAM is being pushed back (seems to be the case everywhere) further to 2009 at my facility. However, it would give more time to learn the airspace if it does not.
Also, hear a lot of varying check out rates. The training manager said roughly 85%. The two floor managers, and TMU manager, said about 50%. This is after passing training in OKC. However, one of the ones who recently checked out and has been there almost three years, said they are just trying to scare you. Out of the 12 that started in his training class, 11 of them are still working there.
Oh, and has it already been mentioned here that URET training is no longer being taught here in OKC for those graduating November and later (at least for now anyway as my class was one of the first ones affected)? Now your PV date is your last day at the academy.
Also, hear a lot of varying check out rates. The training manager said roughly 85%. The two floor managers, and TMU manager, said about 50%. This is after passing training in OKC. However, one of the ones who recently checked out and has been there almost three years, said they are just trying to scare you. Out of the 12 that started in his training class, 11 of them are still working there.
Oh, and has it already been mentioned here that URET training is no longer being taught here in OKC for those graduating November and later (at least for now anyway as my class was one of the first ones affected)? Now your PV date is your last day at the academy.
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URET training is a friggin joke. UU commands, clean up, hard altitude, interim, reroute, preferred route. Oh, that takes 2 weeks to learn? LMAO
my initial thoughts are that the union should have accepted a short term contract for that 5% increase, etc. I mean at least it would soften the blow a little bit, and bring a LITTLE bit more morale to the workforce. And it's better than what we have now. It's already taken 2 years with no resolution, so who thinks it won't take another 2 or 3, which could bbe the length of the new contract in the meantime negotiating something realistic.
What is the union expecting, them to offer a 30% pay increase that was taken away? yeah right, that's going to happen.
What is the union expecting, them to offer a 30% pay increase that was taken away? yeah right, that's going to happen.
Flight Service is run by Lockheed (spelling?) Martin.
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You won't find it there but... http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/afss/index.html
And contact info here... http://www.afss.com/contact/
And contact info here... http://www.afss.com/contact/
AnImbroglio
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While Lockheed does run FSS (they came to my school and tried to recruit as many of us as they could), and they do offer great salaries, the other members are right. They won't match the government benefits or retirement. However... since the pay went up dramatically for FSS specialists when Lockheed took over, one could hypothetically (yes, I know, it's certainly not a given) assume that pay would go up for ATC as well. That being said, I, for one, am responsible enough to save for my own retirement, should the money involved be worth the trouble and expense of doing so.
All that being said, are there other reasons I'm ignorant of as to why privatization would be a bad thing?
All that being said, are there other reasons I'm ignorant of as to why privatization would be a bad thing?
Privatization means public safety is going into the hands of the lowest bidder, pure and simple. Controller benefits aside, the reasons why that would be a bad thing span from top to bottom. You'd see costs cut across the board.
Regarding how it would affect controllers specifically, the private sector would move to automation (if it is even possible) 5 times faster than the federal government. No need for controllers then.
Neither of these defining factors spell "BETTER" for controllers or the public. The last thing we need is less quality assurance in the skies.
