What do you charge?

Hey, I was makin' 2 fiddy a day flying King Airs a few years ago and that wasn't too bad. So if you can get that for a Baron, SWEEET!

By the way John, your "contract" fees don't apply here. Stan has 400 hours and he's flying a Baron. Apples and oranges dude.

Don't get me wrong Stan, I think you know, I'd like nothing more that to see you get a "G" per day, but you're not in the left seat of a Challenger just yet.
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In other words, I'm just trying to give you realistic numbers. Listening to John in this instance, just might get a reaction other that what you want. All I'm trying to say is, "hell yeah!", go after as much as you can get, but be realistic. You know what to do man, just look at all the info you get here and weigh it. I hope he really kicks down man!
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P.S. I'll let you have the last word John, cause this is all I care to say regarding the subject.
 
What do his hours have to do with it? Is he qualified or not? Does the insurance approve him or not?

Your argument gives weight to the opinion that low time pilots are "cheaper."
 
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Your argument gives weight to the opinion that low time pilots are "cheaper."

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Ummmm...to a certain extent, i'd agree with that argument.

Would you be willing to pay more for a doctor that's been in the business for 30 years than you would to a guy fresh out of Med school?
 
I would hope they are both qualified!

It's why you need an A average to graduate from med school. Who wants the doctor with a B average?
 
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I would hope they are both qualified!

It's why you need an A average to graduate from med school. Who wants the doctor with a B average?

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Nice dodge!!

Now....will you answer? Please? Sir, if it makes you feel better?
 
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Don't get me wrong Stan, I think you know, I'd like nothing more that to see you get a "G" per day, but you're not in the left seat of a Challenger just yet. In other words, I'm just trying to give you realistic numbers.

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No offense taken, bro.
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I totally understand!!

Thanks for the tips, everyone. I've got some thinking to do, but it looks like I'll offer up $200/day plus expenses.
 
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It's why you need an A average to graduate from med school. Who wants the doctor with a B average?

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It's that joke all over again about "What do you call a guy who finishes last in Med school? A doctor." In all honesty, if I KNEW the doctor delivering my child in April barely scraped by, I would switch to someone who maybe knew more about what they were doing if I had the option. Would I be willing to pay more? Well, it's a moot point since it's Medicaid, but yeah. While I don't think low time pilots are "cheaper" per say, I do think they would have a harder time commanding and recieving the pay of a pilot with time in type and close to a thousand hours. Remember, perception is reality. While both the low time and high times pilot know how to fly the aircraft well, the "buyer" in this case may percieve the high time pilot as "better."
 
Lloyd I admit you have a point. A high time pilot is certainly more experienced and probably safer than a low time pilot.

Still, once you are commercial, multi, etc and the insurance company approves you, you are pilot in command.

Charge appropriately.
 
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Still, once you are commercial, multi, etc and the insurance company approves you, you are pilot in command.


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And I agree with you 100% there...(world must be ending....
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From a customer's point of view, it doesn't really matter ho "qualified" you are. It's kind of silly, but it's the way they see it.
 
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it doesn't really matter ho "qualified"

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Hmmm. Never thought I'd see the words "ho" and "qualified" in the same sentence.
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... and I know very few pilots that are "ho qualified"
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Does Flight Safety have that training???

Wait - there is a great joke about selling yourself at Gulfstream in here somewhere ...
 
I have two friends who just recently received jobs flying on a daily basis...

Friend 1. About 1500 hours. Flying right seat in a Citiation II. Makes $250 per day plus expenses

Friend 2. About 800-900 hours. Makes $200 per day flying right seat in a King Air 90.
 
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I would hope they are both qualified!

It's why you need an A average to graduate from med school. Who wants the doctor with a B average?

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Only people who haven't gon through it say that. Med school is the equvilate of takeing 22-25 hrs per semester of difficult classes.

Basicly think about taking initial training for 2 full years, then IOE for two more, then flying as FO for an "old school" "shut up and put the grear up" captian for 4 more years.

My wifes motto:

C = MD

She dosen't slack off and is getting a good solid B+ average, but neither will she get bent out of shape about a C.

One of her professors had to redo both of the first 2 academic years of his Med school.

But he is one of the best doctors around.
 
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What are you worth?

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A pilot or for that fact any one in thier chosen field is worth exactly what that industry and in combination what the "public" is willing to pay for said services. Unfortunatley it ain't up to us. We may "think" we are entilteld to a certain compensation but if it is out of line with what is accepted you will not survive for very long.

Another thing on this thread, and John T you surprise me here, Lower experenced pilots are worth less than experienced pilots. Allow me to use Stan as the example, thanks buddy, if Stan and I were competeing for the same job I absoulutely would be worth more to the perspective employer, now whether he wanted to pay me or save some change and hire Stan that is for him to decide. You have to recon that experience is worth something, even though at the end of the day the owner may ... or may not ... get the same results.
Every profession start the new guys/gals out at a lower compensation than the experienced ones. Part of this is that they have to pay the experience more money to stay around ... because someone else is out there willing to buy away that experience.

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Very well said Jim. How are you doing anyway? Things going "ok" over there? Hope you guys get home soon.
 
Jim I don't know how to phrase this, but let me try and sort it out.

1) Low time pilots should not charge LESS than high time pilots if they are qualified for the job.

2) I would much rather have a high time pilot, but I'm not going with a low time pilot because he's cheaper!

3) If we allow low time pilots to get all the jobs by charging less, us high time pilots will be out of work. And don't get excited low timers, because the day will come (sooner than you think) when someone with less time than you undercuts you for a job.

I hope that makes sense.
 
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2) I would much rather have a high time pilot,

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In any job, you get paid for your, skills, qualifications, & experiance.

The more you have of these, the more you can expect to get paid.



As a comercial pilot, we all have similar qualifications.

We should all have good skills.

The only variable left is experiance.


As a low time pilot, I don't expect high wages, but i don't work for free either.
 
John
How can you say a low time pilot shouldn't charge less, that is not realistic in any job field. I'm sure you expect to be paid according to your experience and what you have to offer. I think it is misleading to the "younger" crowd here to suggest just because they hold a certificate that they can expect or deman compensation not comensurate with thier experience level. You say you'd rather have an experienced aviator ... that will cost you more than an inexperienced aviator thus muteing your argument. Also if qualified is qualified why do you charge different rates for internation duties?
I guarentee you that the low time pilots will never replace the demand for experienced pilots other wise the more experinced we get the less marketable that skill would become and we know this isn't true. Low time pilots serve an important entry level base in this industry and in a perfect world they will be paired up with one of us with experience and lifes maturity to mentor them along. The issue here is we shouldn't be competing for the same job. If you believe there is no difference ask the insurance adjuster, yes you may be able to get insurance on a lower time pilot but I gurantee you it will be at a higher premium than what you or I would cost.
Back to Stan's originall question, I believe he has arrived at a fair sum, but would not be surprised to see the final figure considerably lower. Stan then would have a decision to make as to whether the opportunity to build quality time is worth the lower than expected compensation, I would counsel him that in deed it is. Stan needs this job or some simular opprotunity to contine in his proffession and to be ready for the next step ... I think we'd agree on this. Pilots can and should expect to increase thier income based on experience and the type of equpment they fly.

Jim
 
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