Welp, I knew it would happen... KCM at risk

kellwolf said:
It's gotten to the point now where som of the FAs feel entitled. First question in the van in the morning "Do they have known crewmember?" And when you say "No," you've got a pouty FA for the rest of the day. Most of the pilots think it would be nice, but it's not going to run my day if I have to go through security. And I see the same problems in MCO. Head up to KCM, and there's 5 FAs in front of me. One digging through her bag and 4 obliviously chatting. I've actually gone through security and made it faster.
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I live in and commute out of MCO. The problem is not only the FAs chatting it up and not having id's ready.. its the whole area where they put the KCM line. If you go in and out of the american/jetblue side, the placement of the KCM point is pretty much the worst idea ever. It shares space with an already cramped regular employee line so you end up having to stand in line waiting for the Burger King, Starbucks, etc. employees along with all the passengers they let over into the employee line just waiting to get up to the KCM point..
 
I'll add this to my previous post....when was the last time we advocated for the mechanics? It seems we've aligned ourselves with the FA's with all the me too contract provisions and extras while we never hear a word about the mechanics we are tied more closely to professionally. FA's? From a job qualification standpoint I guess we should advocate for the gate agents as well.
 
Seggy said:
There are a lot of assumptions being made in this thread.
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Naturally.

HOWEVER, we need to get serious about KCM and make people abusing the system, not arriving at the checkpoint prepared to screen and doing absolutely ridiculous and inexcusable tripe like "Oops, forgot my side-sight Gat in muh bag, Derpy DERRRRRP" an offense on level of watching porn on a portable DVD player in church.

If we keep brushing it under the rug, not taking it seriously and "Oh-Well"'ing it, we will lose the program.
 
Aviator1988 said:
I live in and commute out of MCO. The problem is not only the FAs chatting it up and not having id's ready.. its the whole area where they put the KCM line. If you go in and out of the american/jetblue side, the placement of the KCM point is pretty much the worst idea ever. It shares space with an already cramped regular employee line so you end up having to stand in line waiting for the Burger King, Starbucks, etc. employees along with all the passengers they let over into the employee line just waiting to get up to the KCM point..
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I've never had a problem just scooting over to the far left. Unless it's unusually busy, the employee line doesn't really encroach on the KCM line over there. It's tight, but manageable.

Cav said:
One of the perks of being an FO is not having to deal with FA's all that much. "It's cold" or "it's hot" is about all I can take. Let's face it folks, it's not all that hard to become a FA so why do we insist on advocating/negotiating for them? Let them negotiate for themselves.
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Even easier on the E190. There's a setting to give the FAs control of the cabin temp.
 
kellwolf said:
I've never had a problem just scooting over to the far left. Unless it's unusually busy, the employee line doesn't really encroach on the KCM line over there. It's tight, but manageable.



Even easier on the E190. There's a setting to give the FAs control of the cabin temp.
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Same option on the A330. I can't imagine how hilarious it is watching 12 FA's walk up to the panel and tinker with the temperature every thirty seconds.

"Warm it up but don't turn on the heater!"

Umm.... Kayyyyyyyy...
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Where do you get the idea that we're advocating/negotiating for them?
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That comes from an initial report that "our" side wanted nothing to do with the cabin crews receiving the benefit because of of the "low cost of entry" (several weeks in school, a basic security screening, a uniform fitting and now you're an FA!), but certain "internal pressures" begged for their inclusion.

That's about as PC as I can describe Cav's angle on it.
 
Derg said:
That comes from an initial report that "our" side wanted nothing to do with the cabin crews receiving the benefit because of of the "low cost of entry" (several weeks in school, a basic security screening, a uniform fitting and now you're an FA!), but certain "internal pressures" begged for their inclusion.

That's about as PC as I can describe Cav's angle on it.
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I'm still not exactly sure what is being alleged. But if it has something to do with ALPA going to bat to get the FAs into KCM, then I can tell you that the conspiracy theories are BS. While we certainly never opposed it, no effort was put into helping them with it, either.

Personally, I think they deserve it, and I'm glad they got it. But I wouldn't have supported using our resources to achieve it, and we didn't.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I'm still not exactly sure what is being alleged. But if it has something to do with ALPA going to bat to get the FAs into KCM, then I can tell you that the conspiracy theories are BS. While we certainly never opposed it, no effort was put into helping them with it, either.

Personally, I think they deserve it, and I'm glad they got it. But I wouldn't have supported using our resources to achieve it, and we didn't.
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ALPA, per se, on a national level HOPEFULLY did not, but someone who was a little "lower" on the food chain, at the time, publicly advocated alongside a major airline CEO for their inclusion.
 
Derg said:
ALPA, per se, on a national level HOPEFULLY did not, but someone who was a little "lower" on the food chain, at the time, publicly advocated alongside a major airline CEO for their inclusion.
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Ahh, gotcha. I stay out of DALPA politics. I don't go by a callsign, so I don't exactly fit in. ;)
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Ahh, gotcha. I stay out of DALPA politics. I don't go by a callsign, so I don't exactly fit in. ;)
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Ha! Do you think >>>I<<< do? :)

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH *COUUUUUUUGH* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

"I want to fix the website"
-- "Nah, do the phone tree"

"I can fix that god-forsaken forum in a long weekend"
-- "Nahhh.... We're good"

"The national chair wants me on PHX strike"
-- "Nah, you don't support the administration"

"I was COMM at Skyway, I'd like to volunteer"
-- "Nah..."

I can go on and on.
 
Again, I don't think we had any business advocating for their inclusion into a program they did not help pay for or craft.
 
Derg said:
Again, I don't think we had any business advocating for their inclusion into a program they did not help pay for or craft.
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Eh, I don't see any issue as long as dues dollars weren't used for the purpose. As long as it was something simple like writing a letter, then no big deal. Now, if we're talking about making trips on union dollars to talk to government officials about it, that's a different story.
 
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