'We'll consider that checklist completed'

This was upwards of 25 years ago, but I remember one of our Captain's getting suspended because he taxied away from the gate with the cabin door open. How do you do that?
 
Derg said:
I'm a reluctant negotiator. After the second "please pick up the checklist and read from it" is met with consternation, well, BYE FELICIA!
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Second ask/please? You softy

1 - Ask (Would you please do ____)
2 - Tell (I'm telling you to do _____)
3 - Take (take the airplane/off the trip/etc)
 
I need you to read the checklist.

What's the big deal.

Please do this, will you not?

Nope.

*hands are tied*
 
Derg said:
I'm a reluctant negotiator. After the second "please pick up the checklist and read from it" is met with consternation, well, BYE FELICIA!
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Is this a real thing that happens? People get huffy when asked to use the checklist at a SouthernJets level? I mean I could sort of understand a guy flubbing it because of too many years of 135 single pilot freight, and having an attitude of "my bad, these are specific steps I'll take to improve" but outright defiance? WTF?
 
Roger Roger said:
Is this a real thing that happens? People get huffy when asked to use the checklist at a SouthernJets level? I mean I could sort of understand a guy flubbing it because of too many years of 135 single pilot freight, and having an attitude of "my bad, these are specific steps I'll take to improve" but outright defiance? WTF?
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It's not really a thing at my shop. Maybe some guys might slack on our climb check which is only "Altimeters..... STD" but no.

I had a conversation with a friend I hold in high esteem about one of his copilots that simply didn't think it was necessary and refused a few times.

I'm jealous of his patience because I'd have left his ass in the terminal, gotten a Starbucks and calmly waited until his replacement arrived.
 
Derg said:
It's not really a thing at my shop. Maybe some guys might slack on our climb check which is only "Altimeters..... STD" but no.

I had a conversation with a friend I hold in high esteem about one of his copilots that simply didn't think it was necessary and refused a few times.

I'm jealous of his patience because I'd have left his ass in the terminal, gotten a Starbucks and calmly waited until his replacement arrived.
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Ok, that makes more sense.
 
At my shop, I seem to see it most from either the crusty old captains with a million hours in type, been there/done that/t-shirt, etc OR the young cocky 20-something captains that are still effectively growing and maturing as a person in general, that were very okay with not doing checklists.

Pushing off the gate: Me - "So, departure review?" OR "So, before start checklist?"
CA - "Oh, yeah, okay..."
Just finish the shutdown flow, CA is packing up.- "Parking checklist?" - "It's done." - "oookay." Then just checked it myself. Not of fan of that.

Nothing malicious on their part, but it just makes me uncomfortable. I *don't* have a zillion hours in type and know the plane like they do. I'd like to do the checklists, please. Nice enough guys but I don't enjoy the added stress as an FO, trying to figure out what this guy wants and how to cover my butt diplomatically. If you're standard it makes your FO's life a ton easier. #pleaseandthankyou.
 
mastermags said:
You have all of your precheck items complete. The Captain has just finished talking about how much a new set of golf cart tires set him back. The rampers bring you the CLR and the flight attendants give you the count and close the door. The captain says "We'll call the 'Before Start' check complete." What do you do FO?
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"Want to waste more time debating this? Or would you like to just run the checklist and get going?"
 
Well. We got folks who are too lazy to look up ODPs because it takes flipping a few pages and folks who can't be bothered to soften the climb so as to not cause a RA, we really spect folks to take checklists seriously?

Hell, we can't even get tier 1 applicants to read back descend via clearances correctly.


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