Welcome to the Rest of your Career: Redux

skyw82 said:
Third listers are those that were hired after the America west/us airways merger. There are about 500 or so that were hired. Honestly you could even say there is a fourth list made up of the guys hired after the snapshot.

Either way I think it won't be as bad as people say. Judge silver could rule on the
Nic as early as this month and if that happens there won't be an east west issue anymore. At least legally speaking.
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skyw82 said:
Third listers are those that were hired after the America west/us airways merger. There are about 500 or so that were hired. Honestly you could even say there is a fourth list made up of the guys hired after the snapshot.

Either way I think it won't be as bad as people say. Judge silver could rule on the
Nic as early as this month and if that happens there won't be an east west issue anymore. At least legally speaking.
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I don't really understand why that's even a point of contention. There was nothing illegal about the Nicolau award, per se.
 
cencal83406 said:
Would be interesting for precedent if it ever actually got thrown out. Reading Easties posts on APC, I swear it's been thrown out at least six times.
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Let's hope for precedent's sake it's upheld. Giving precedent to overturning binding arbitration would open a Pandora's box of lawsuits and frivolous legal action.

Some bones should just stay buried for the sake of getting on with life.
 
Once silver rules that will be the end of it, I don't think that anything more can be done by either party.

If she rules the case is ripe then the nic could instantly become effective.
 
It will never emotionally be over.

Trust me, I still run into guys that want "do overs" on certain parts of our SLI.

Someone even asked me, "Was he a 'red tail' guy or was he Republic?"

WOT? Don't know, don't care.
 
Derg said:
It will never emotionally be over.

Trust me, I still run into guys that want "do overs" on certain parts of our SLI.

Someone even asked me, "Was he a 'red tail' guy or was he Republic?"

WOT? Don't know, don't care.
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Oh I agree, I think we're past the point of no return for the emotions. I still wonder how some of these guys will ever be able to share the same flight deck with each other.
Whatever happens one side is going to be very angry. If the west gets nic then the east will feel like it was a seniority grab and windfall. If the east wins then the west will feel like they had their legally binding seniority list stolen from them.

But eventually the lawsuits will stop because one side will just have to accept their legal options are over and I think with this silver ruling it may be the end of that.
 
skyw82 said:
Once silver rules that will be the end of it, I don't think that anything more can be done by either party.

If she rules the case is ripe then the nic could instantly become effective.
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I thought she already ruled that the case WAS NOT ripe, and WOULD NOT BE until actual injury (the implementation of the seniority list) had taken place.
 
jtrain609 said:
I thought she already ruled that the case WAS NOT ripe, and WOULD NOT BE until actual injury (the implementation of the seniority list) had taken place.
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Because a list was submitted from USAPA for the SLI with the APA, the injury, in theory, has occurred.

At least that is my understanding.
 
There is also the issues with the MOU. The question is now that the contract for both the east and west is the same per the mou, does that count as a JCBA. If it is then the NIC becomes active.
 
Derg said:
Probably not.

I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about binding arbitration.

Then you come up with "gems" like the attached.

Aye yi yi, I feel fat and I need to pick up some thick glasses because I can't be that cool.
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You were a carefully screened and elite civilian. Well, by Piedmont standards anyway.
 
mastermags said:
You were a carefully screened and elite civilian. Well, by Piedmont standards anyway.
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….Delta…American…United…PIEDMONT :)

I do have a 15" neck so I might be considered overweight. And I've been squinting all day restoring my Drobo from a Backblaze backup, so I might need thick glasses...
 
Derg said:
It will never emotionally be over.

Trust me, I still run into guys that want "do overs" on certain parts of our SLI.

Someone even asked me, "Was he a 'red tail' guy or was he Republic?"

WOT? Don't know, don't care.
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That irks the crap out of me. First, people who can't move on from something. Second, people who blame others for crap that is 100% outside of their control.

Like the few ERJ or CRJ guys that get butthurt at the other side. "I dunno man, I just happened to work for the company that the powers that be decided to merge you with. They didn't really ask my opinion on the matter."
 
Screaming_Emu said:
That irks the crap out of me. First, people who can't move on from something. Second, people who blame others for crap that is 100% outside of their control.

Like the few ERJ or CRJ guys that get butthurt at the other side. "I dunno man, I just happened to work for the company that the powers that be decided to merge you with. They didn't really ask my opinion on the matter."
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That's when I say, "Yeah man, I missed that phone call too. You can blame it on me. The (CEO) called to ask my opinion and I could have changed the future, but I was too busy watching at videos on YouTube".
 
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