Watching sheep to the slaughter

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You forgot to add.....and use the damn search function on JC.com, where you'll find this horse beaten to a bloody pulp already.

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Brian is 15 or 16. I would have looked at the issue the same way as he does when I was his age.

[/ QUOTE ] Yeah that. I know you guys are sick to death of this topic, but also understand that a lot of people have NO idea what kind of politics and games go on in aviation. I know I had no clue, I thought it was a lot more simple than it is. Just be patient and remember that for any one who has dreamed of getting paid to fly, it takes a minute to step back and research and understand what the problem is with getting paid $8 to fly, and why these types of programs are bad. It really doesn't make sense the first few times some one says it's bad and with all the hostility some of you portray towards the person who isn't grapsing it, it will only put them on the defense and make it take even longer to understand. Try taking the emotion out of it and explain it more logically and with a little patience. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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You forgot to add.....and use the damn search function on JC.com, where you'll find this horse beaten to a bloody pulp already.

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LOL!!! MikeD, you rule!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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And stop with the SA crap.

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Situational Awareness is used a lot around these forums. SA is an EXTREMELY IMPORTANT aspect of flying. It helps keep us alive and safe, as well as those flying around us.

But more than that, Situational Awareness is an important aspect of life that more people should learn.

You're dealing with a subject passionate to many. Look at it like this--I'm not trying to demean you or you're reasoning, just see if I can offer some insight.

Thrifty Airlines has a fleet of B1900s. They're paying first year F/Os $17/hr. Second year F/Os $20/hr, etc. A young man comes along says, I love to fly, would like to fly for you, and I have a business on the side so I don't care what I make, just pay me $8/hr. This saves the CEO of Thrifty Airlines a lot of money and he likes that, so he lays of a F/O to make room for you. You have taken a job from a man who probably doesn't have a side business, or the money to start one after the money he invested to fly and work his way up. Also, the CEO now knows there are guys out there willing to work for $8-10/hr instead of $17-20, so that's what he advertises for know people will still come . . . and now the other airlines do the same to save money.
 
I think someone should write an article and have it posted on the main page of Jetcareers. And then whenever anyone asks about PFT, We can refer them to this article. I think we can get some people that are knowledgable enough to sit down and write a "What is PFT?" piece. Maybe some of the more senior guys could write it.

Just a suggestion... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Question for you, Brian:

Would you pay to work at MacDonalds, Wal Mart, Buger King...... or anywhere else you might want a job??

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No because I wouldn't be building up air time in those jobs.
 
I tought it costs $8 an hour to fly. Cost me not them. If I was to get paid $8 then no way. Me pay the airline $8 an hour to build time sounds good. Me getting $8 an hour to fly for them doesn't.
 
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You forgot to add.....and use the damn search function on JC.com, where you'll find this horse beaten to a bloody pulp already.


[/ QUOTE ] If you don't know about PFT or what a big issue this is, it probably wouldn't occur to you to use the search.
 
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You forgot to add.....and use the damn search function on JC.com, where you'll find this horse beaten to a bloody pulp already.


[/ QUOTE ] If you don't know about PFT or what a big issue this is, it probably wouldn't occur to you to use the search.

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But that's why I would do a search, to find out what the acronym PFT finds me. But I do get your point.
 
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Question for you, Brian:

Would you pay to work at MacDonalds, Wal Mart, Buger King...... or anywhere else you might want a job??

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No because I wouldn't be building up air time in those jobs.

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Brian, stop being stupid and listen to what folks are trying to tell you. It's bad juju. Don't pay for something you should get paid to do.

I know you know it all right now, but even a broken clock is right twice per day.
 
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I tought it costs $8 an hour to fly. Cost me not them. If I was to get paid $8 then no way. Me pay the airline $8 an hour to build time sounds good. Me getting $8 an hour to fly for them doesn't.

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How exactly does this work in your world??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

So you would PAY an airline to fly for them, but if they only wanted to pay you $8/hr you would say no way??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif

You can't seriously be for real??? So you will pay to fly, but you won't fly and get paid??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif

Please go find some other career field... You are in the wrong place... You are obviously not able to grasp the concept of gainful employment in this field... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/argue.gif
 
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Me pay the airline $8 an hour to build time sounds good.

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You don't freaking get it, do you?

I rescind my apology to you.

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Question for you, Brian:

Would you pay to work at MacDonalds, Wal Mart, Buger King...... or anywhere else you might want a job??

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No because I wouldn't be building up air time in those jobs.

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Brian, stop being stupid and listen to what folks are trying to tell you. It's bad juju. <font color="red">Don't pay for something you should get paid to do. </font>

I know you know it all right now, but even a broken clock is right twice per day.

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There.. I highlighted it for you, Brian.

We're not going to continue to spoon-feed this stuff to you, little brother. At some point, you need to start figuring it out for yourself.
 
MikeD thinks..(please don't be another 8-pager....)

So, the WX here is BKN40 with viz unlimited. Average chance for some RA-, though.
 
I've been reading over all these PFT threads, and I've noticed they all lack Facts. You guys expect people to take what you believe and are saying and automatically agree with you. I hate to say it but things don't work like that. You have to have an argument that is rich with facts.

You guys need facts to back up what your saying. I understand you guys are experts in your fields, and what your saying holds a lot of weight, but you can't just rely on that, you guys need the Facts. Just like the "Facts of Life." /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

It's like a history paper. Can you write a history paper with out specific facts??? Of course not, no one will believe you.

Thats why I made the suggestion that someone or some people write an article/paper for the front page that has all the facts about PFT. Maybe personal accounts and other things.

You guys shakin what I'm bakin? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
But Matt, here is one indisputable fact. Period.

If you do PFJ, you are taking a job away from someone. No question about it. Someone who is qualified to do that FO job no longer has it, because you took it from him. And how did you do that? By taking out your wallet.

Every single slot taken by a PFJ guy is one less slot for folks who are looking for that right hand seat.
 
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But Matt, here is one indisputable fact. Period.

If you do PFJ, you are taking a job away from someone. No question about it. Someone who is qualified to do that FO job no longer has it, because you took it from him. And how did you do that? By taking out your wallet.

Every single slot taken by a PFJ guy is one less slot for folks who are looking for that right hand seat.

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Thats not fact. What is backing it up? Purely for example: You need to provide something like how FO jonny lost his job because of PFJ.
 
Straight from Gulfstream's website.

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Log More Than 280 Hours Of Airline Quality Flight Training For Less Than $72 Per Hour

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While they say hey you'll get paid to learn to fly w/ an airline, in the end it's still everything you're paying to be there.

Brian, are you saying if you had the option of:
a) Paying an airline $8/hr to fly for them
b) Airline paying you $8/hr to fly for them

you would rather choose to pay instead of being paid???

Anyhow, real life example, Colgan Air new-hires pay for their training -- any company that hires you should pay for your training.

Does a WalMart employee go to WalMart and pay them $10/hr to learn the job??? I hope not!

Hmmmm . . . four pages, eight pages . . . this topic will still make it's way back.
 
Same happens when someone is bumped for any odd reason and someone younger, less experienced and less paid gets the job. Should he feel guilty for stealing? I'm with Matt, you should write a cover for this site with the PFT and actual accounts of occurrences where PFT is bad, not just why you think it's bad . I'm out before you ladies all go and get your panties in a twist again.
 
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