Virgin America Pilot Pay Increase

USMCmech said:
Sure the body count will be higher in a wide-body crash, but the pilot's responsibility to his passengers doesn't change if he has 1 or 100.
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Generally we're paid on productivity: Speed and weight.

Some have tossed around the idea of longevity-based pay as well.

I don't know.
 
Seggy said:
@amorris311 actually needs to do that as well before he wants to start playing the games he think need to be played!
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Neither of us work at endeavor so I don't know what you are getting at. When you feel ready you can come down off the mountain and join the rest of the pilots who work at and are members of ALPA carriers.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
If you can't understand why an ERJ commands a different pay rate than a 737-800, then you aren't just a punk, you're functionally retarded.
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Punk and retarded? Your insults are weak and lame.

About your size comments, AA F100s held the same passenger capacity as AE CRJ-700s today. Care to share the size of responsibility? Republic E190s could seat 100 passengers which rivals Delta's new Boeing 717s configured to a 108-110 seats.

You're delusional and live in ALPA fantasy land if you can't recognize we have three tiers of airlines and their respective market rates today (regionals, LCCs, legacies).
 
The bigger the airplane, the more responsibility you have and the more revenue that you produce. Pretty much every industry pays more for more responsibility or more revenue produced. Ours is no different.
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That helps in driving my point. More pay for more revenue produced. The revenue metrics of a 700+ airline are entirely different than one with 40-60 airplanes.

You talk a tought talk. Have you even finished your college degree yet?
 
amorris311 said:
Neither of us work at endeavor so I don't know what you are getting at. When you feel ready you can come down off the mountain and join the rest of the pilots who work at and are members of ALPA carriers.
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What I am getting at is that if you, with your new position, try to negotiate by going in asking for 30 million dollars in compensation for a LOA when it is only worth $300,000, you are going to get your ass handed to you playing that game.

Of course, I hope we are coworkers sooner rather than later so you don't have to deal with that, but you aren't negotiating for a new car.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That helps in driving my point. More pay for more revenue produced. The revenue metrics of a 700+ airline are entirely different than one with 40-60 airplanes.

You talk a tought talk. Have you even finished your college degree yet?
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So basically what you're saying is that pay should be commensurate with the size of the operation.

In your worldview, there are a lot of overpaid corporate pilots.

"Sorry Hoss, only got on G-IV. That's why we're paying you in Buffalo Wild Wings gift certificates from now on".
 
Seggy said:
What I am getting at is that if you, with your new position, try to negotiate by going in asking for 30 million dollars in compensation for a LOA when it is only worth $300,000, you are going to get your ass handed to you playing that game.

Of course, I hope we are coworkers sooner rather than later so you don't have to deal with that, but you aren't negotiating for a new car.
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His 2002 Chevy trailblazer has another 100k in her.
 
USMCmech said:
I get the concept, I just disagree.

I would argue that the number of warm bodies in the cabin does not change a pilot's responsibility at all. A RJ pilot's actual job duties are not measurably different than a mainline domestic flight. I will grant that international flying is an entirely different issue.

The pilots have no ability to control how much revenue is produced on a given flight, so why do they get rewarded/punished for conditions outside their control. I remember a BA 777 that flew across the pond with 12 pax due to a scheduling glitch.


I know this argument is pointless because the system is what it is, but I would like to see all domestic jet flying should be paid the same regardless of number of seats, or whose name is beside the door.
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I don't think you fully understand the concept.

Pilots absolutely have the same amount of responsibility, be it a Caravan or an A380. A safe flight is a safe flight.

Also, I can accept that perhaps my TASK is easier than someone flying a Navajo.

What I don't agree with, at any level, is your false assumption in revenue. The WORK we do is directly related to the size of the equipment.

Revenue is directly a function of management and sales. We PRODUCE inventory, which is defined as ASM or AFTK. There is a value placed on that. The larger the airplane the more we PRODUCE, thus our PRODUCTIVITY, is paid accordingly.

Pilots need to understand what creates value, and economics. Moving levers doesn't produce money for a company. We make stuff for the company to sell. That is it.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
About your size comments, AA F100s held the same passenger capacity as AE CRJ-700s today.
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And pay rates industry-wide for all sizes of equipment have come down since then. So your point is pointless (as usual).

Republic E190s could seat 100 passengers which rivals Delta's new Boeing 717s configured to a 108-110 seats.
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It doesn't matter what they could do, it matters what they actually do. The industry standard for a 70 passenger aircraft is much different than the industry standard for a 110 seat aircraft.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That helps in driving my point. More pay for more revenue produced. The revenue metrics of a 700+ airline are entirely different than one with 40-60 airplanes.
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No they aren't. Your average fare is roughly the same as all of the other major carriers. If your management is incapable of producing results with the same revenue per passenger, then that's their problem. You shouldn't be subsidizing them.

You talk a tought talk. Have you even finished your college degree yet?
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A misspelling in an attack about college. Classic.

And no, I'm not worried about that. I'm not interested in taking the massive pay cut. :bounce:
 
I know CC is as popular as Justin Beiber, but virgin did get a raise, which is good, and I don't see their rates being competitively different than other LCCs. I have no idea what their contract looks like beyond the payscales which we all know is important. Lets find some norweigan, err thai, or whatever to beat up on.
 
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