Unresponsive AF 777-300

[melax]

I'm an old school guy, always been kinda leery of Fly by wire, remember AF-296Q ?
One of the pilots went into exile and if I remember well, he has a website consecrated to prove that HAL was in control when that happened. Of course Airbus and the french Govt. didn't like it a bit. The other pilot went mute and stayed in France quietly.
I always insist on redundancy in all our systems specifically dissimilar technologies, it's sometimes complicated but that's how I run our ops.

The Aviation Herald

Air France flight from New York to Paris is forced to abort landing

Disturbing radio traffic has revealed a potentially serious issue on an Air France flight from New York to Paris, with pilots heard struggling to get the plane's controls to respond.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Air France Flight 296Q - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Pilot Fighter]

I'm an old school guy, always been kinda leery of Fly by wire, remember AF-296Q ?
One of the pilots went into exile and if I remember well, he has a website consecrated to prove that HAL was in control when that happened. Of course Airbus and the french Govt. didn't like it a bit. The other pilot went mute and stayed in France quietly.
I always insist on redundancy in all our systems specifically dissimilar technologies, it's sometimes complicated but that's how I run our ops.

The Aviation Herald

Air France flight from New York to Paris is forced to abort landing

Disturbing radio traffic has revealed a potentially serious issue on an Air France flight from New York to Paris, with pilots heard struggling to get the plane's controls to respond.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Air France Flight 296Q - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My WAG is that the pilot was fighting the autopilot that should have disengaged. Instead of slapping the AP Master he kept fighting until he had an epiphany.

 

[Murdoughnut]

Forgive my ignorance here, but it is common for ATC to be communicated in French there? For some reason I thought English was the international language of ATC.

 

[NovemberEcho]

Forgive my ignorance here, but it is common for ATC to be communicated in French there? For some reason I thought English was the international language of ATC.

they even use French for ATC in Quebec

 

[derg]

Forgive my ignorance here, but it is common for ATC to be communicated in French there? For some reason I thought English was the international language of ATC.

Nah, there’s a lot of French on ATC in France.

 

[CFI A&P]

Forgive my ignorance here, but it is common for ATC to be communicated in French there? For some reason I thought English was the international language of ATC.

There's a lot of non-English ATC in places where English isn't the primary language, even though English is the ICAO standard. Always exciting to hear "cleared to land 17" then "cleared for takeoff 35" in a mix of broken English and local language.

 

[Wardogg]

For some reason I thought English was the international language of ATC.

Used to be. Not anymore.

Used to be considered a safety issue to have all kinds of instructions communicated in different languages to different airplanes all in the same airspace.

Guess TCAS fixed all that. May the odds be ever in your favor.

 

[ahw01]

It's not unreasonable for domestic flying to be in the local language. English is the international standard.

 

[FL350]

Forgive my ignorance here, but it is common for ATC to be communicated in French there? For some reason I thought English was the international language of ATC.

They just have to be able to also speak in English. A lot of the world speaks their local language and the controllers will speak English if spoken to in English.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

My WAG is that the pilot was fighting the autopilot that should have disengaged. Instead of slapping the AP Master he kept fighting until he had an epiphany.

WAG?

 

[Pilot Fighter]

WAG?

Wild assed guess.

 

[Lawman]

They just have to be able to also speak in English. A lot of the world speaks their local language and the controllers will speak English if spoken to in English.

Some countries I’m not sure how well or even if that is enforced.

Routinely have the one random speaking local on tower here. Tower speaking it right back. No damn clue what was said between them by the rest of us in the airspace, but the procedures are so grade school pedestrian and restrictive it’s not like it will be too much of a hazard.

I’m more worried about the random dudes working well before the end of the runway to do paint or surfacing and here goes Turkish Air 458 to wherever cleared for takeoff… hope they don’t have an abort.


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[DropTank]

Air France
Where autopilot disconnect and basic stall recoveries are a foreign language

 

[EIR]

Forgive my ignorance here, but it is common for ATC to be communicated in French there? For some reason I thought English was the international language of ATC.

Outside of the States, controllers speak their native language for local aircraft.

 

[ahw01]

Hence why you include Kilo

 

[MFT1Air]

Wild assed guess.

We SWAG it too. . .just to remind everyone we incorporated Jeopardy music into the thought process and still didn't know.

S for sophisticated.

 

[MFT1Air]

My WAG is that the pilot was fighting the autopilot that should have disengaged. Instead of slapping the AP Master he kept fighting until he had an epiphany.

Sounded like he was "struggling" as if they were muscling something.

 

[Boris Badenov]

I read a report from one of our 75 guys about doing a flight control check and having the yoke bind at one particular point one out of every ten or so times.

I like the version where we get to make fun of the French better, though.

 

[ASpilot2be]

Hence why you include Kilo

False

 

[Pilot Fighter]

I read a report from one of our 75 guys about doing a flight control check and having the yoke bind at one particular point one out of every ten or so times.

I like the version where we get to make fun of the French better, though.

We can do both, criticize Boeing and make fun of the French.