Unpublished hold programming in G1000/GNS530W

I know it has it on the king air with G1000 I just started flying... couldnt tell you otherwise, or how to do it with the G1000 yet
 
Other than doing this for instrument and CFII training, how often does unpublished holds in a C-172 really come up?

I'd prefer an autopilot that does what it's told the first time (yeah... I'm talking to you, KAP140)
 
hook_dupin said:
Other than doing this for instrument and CFII training, how often does unpublished holds in a C-172 really come up?

I'd prefer an autopilot that does what it's told the first time (yeah... I'm talking to you, KAP140)
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I would imagine anywhere you have a lot of one in, one out airports it could be pretty common. It is here for sure.
 
hook_dupin said:
Other than doing this for instrument and CFII training, how often does unpublished holds in a C-172 really come up?

I'd prefer an autopilot that does what it's told the first time (yeah... I'm talking to you, KAP140)
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I don't know how often you've had to hold for either 1) weather below mins or 2) its an uncontrolled field and someone else is on the approach (this is 95% of the times I have to hold) but of these two instances I almost always get a non-published holding instruction, unless the approach I want to do happens to have a holding pattern in lieu of a PT.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
I don't know how often you've had to hold for either 1) weather below mins or 2) its an uncontrolled field and someone else is on the approach (this is 95% of the times I have to hold) but of these two instances I almost always get a non-published holding instruction, unless the approach I want to do happens to have a holding pattern in lieu of a PT.
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Yup. "You're number two behind an Alaska jet just starting his approach, hold north of CLUCK on your inbound course, maintain 9000, expect further clearance at 15 past the hour"
 
The newest update to the G1000 software had the ability to create your own hold but it was a gigantic flop so almost everyone reverted back to their previous version. It will be coming....someday.
 
Meh. I used to have to walk to school. Uphill both ways!
Holding is not the end of the world if you have do it the old fashioned way. Garmin is good stuff, but it's not Proline or whatever.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
I don't know how often you've had to hold for either 1) weather below mins or 2) its an uncontrolled field and someone else is on the approach (this is 95% of the times I have to hold) but of these two instances I almost always get a non-published holding instruction, unless the approach I want to do happens to have a holding pattern in lieu of a PT.
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Maybe I've just been lucky I guess. I can think of only one or two times where I've been giving an unpublished hold... certainly not enough to use a Garmin programming trick if one existed.
 
The 480's ability to draw the full hold is nice but the other Garmins' ability to draw the inbound course still gives you a pretty good depiction that is a step above just a VOR.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
The 480's ability to draw the full hold is nice but the other Garmins' ability to draw the inbound course still gives you a pretty good depiction that is a step above just a VOR.
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It's better than nothing but in what can be a busy terminal environment the last thing you wanna be doing is micromanaging the airplane, especially if you're holding to prepare for possible weather diversions.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
I don't know how often you've had to hold for either 1) weather below mins or 2) its an uncontrolled field and someone else is on the approach (this is 95% of the times I have to hold) but of these two instances I almost always get a non-published holding instruction, unless the approach I want to do happens to have a holding pattern in lieu of a PT.
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That said, even then I go out of my way to try to slow down if I think I'm going to have to hold for any reason what so ever.
 
gotWXdagain said:
It's better than nothing but in what can be a busy terminal environment the last thing you wanna be doing is micromanaging the airplane, especially if you're holding to prepare for possible weather diversions.
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What micromanaging? People have been doing it for years with a VOR without too much of a problem. Doing it in a 430/530/650/750/1000 has about the same amount workload plus a line for the inbound course. Entering enough data for the unit to draw either a right or left turn with a specific distance or leg time sounds like much more workload.

And it takes away so much of the real problem most pilots have with holds - visualizing the hold in relation to the approach to the fix for determination of the entry.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
What micromanaging? People have been doing it for years with a VOR without too much of a problem. Doing it in a 430/530/650/750/1000 has about the same amount workload plus a line for the inbound course. Entering enough data for the unit to draw either a right or left turn with a specific distance or leg time sounds like much more workload.

And it takes away so much of the real problem most pilots have with holds - visualizing the hold in relation to the approach to the fix for determination of the entry.
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You can do the programming in a lower workload environment well ahead of the actual hold.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
What micromanaging? People have been doing it for years with a VOR without too much of a problem. Doing it in a 430/530/650/750/1000 has about the same amount workload plus a line for the inbound course. Entering enough data for the unit to draw either a right or left turn with a specific distance or leg time sounds like much more workload.

And it takes away so much of the real problem most pilots have with holds - visualizing the hold in relation to the approach to the fix for determination of the entry.
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The real advantage of an EFIS that draws the full holding pattern is that typically with a GPSS converter it will drive the autopilot to fly the holding pattern.
 
gotWXdagain said:
You can do the programming in a lower workload environment well ahead of the actual hold.
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Sorry. When you were talking about micromanaging, I thought you were referring to workload, so I was comparing them. One would hope ATC gives us enough advance warning to set ourselves up for the hold, whichever.method we use.

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Roger Roger said:
The real advantage of an EFIS that draws the full holding pattern is that typically with a GPSS converter it will drive the autopilot to fly the holding pattern.
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Definitely!
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Sorry. When you were talking about micromanaging, I thought you were referring to workload, so I was comparing them. One would hope ATC gives us enough advance warning to set ourselves up for the hold, whichever.method we use.
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Even if we are going to draw the purple line ourselves, which is a step up from a straight VOR hold but not really by much, we still have to keep up on the timing or DME of the holding pattern and spin the heading bug at the appropriate time, and then keep up with the heading to make sure it's on course, or fudge it and do a nav capture each time. Considering that turns are nearly 180 degrees, you kinda have to update heading twice while you're going around the turn. Being able to couple it to a GPSS for the entire racetrack would be excellent for workload management because then you just have to keep an eye on it and not much else, assuming you set it up right. The only few real-world (not on checkride) holds I've done this year have either been published in lieu of PT (one back in february) and two "Turbine bugsmasher, you're number 2 behind Acey, Proceed direct KULJI Hold Southeast on the localizer right hand turns one minute legs maintain 5,000 EFC yadda yadda" earlier this spring.
 
scott_l said:
The newest update to the G1000 software had the ability to create your own hold but it was a gigantic flop so almost everyone reverted back to their previous version. It will be coming....someday.
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What airframe? I've used the feature quite a bit on the G2000 and it works great, guessing the G1000 implementation will work very similarly when it arrives (I haven't flown an airframe that's gotten the new software yet).
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Sorry. When you were talking about micromanaging, I thought you were referring to workload, so I was comparing them. One would hope ATC gives us enough advance warning to set ourselves up for the hold, whichever.method we use.!
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"Hold at so and so" .2 miles away from "so and so" is going to result in "Uh, give me a heading" 100% of the time.
 
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