Lots of guys have been really happy, right up until they're not.
United to Buy ExpressJet?
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Lots of guys have been really happy, right up until they're not.
Ayork62493
GBR
Nothing makes me happier than being forced to work every day I need off, even at 40 percent seniority. Need a Tuesday off? Nah, you’ll be in Williston. Also, here’s 95 hours and 12 days off.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Endeavor too?
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Sure I'll take a survey prompted by an internet poster. Perhaps you don't like the happy thing.
Here. The majority of skywest pilots reoccuringly refuse a union drive and vote no to representation for their pilots. One could conclude they are happy with their "representation". Because of that, they're never going to get improvements unless management needs it. If Skywest voted with their feet and left they might get meaningful improvements in a timely fashion.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
So ur leaving?
I get it work could always be better but even in this environment Skywest is clearly better for you than an envoy or endeavor.
Ayork62493
GBR
It's my number one goal to leave, yes. In the mean time I am trying to make this a better place if at all possible. When I started SkyWest was at the top of the "regional list", but I feel that is changing. If I were looking at airlines today, I think my decision would be different. I'm not saying I'm not happy, but we are so short staffed here on the CRJ it's getting challenging to remain insanely positive. There are many people here who are extremely loyal to this company, and for that reason I don't think much will change. I am sorry for what has happened to the ExpressJet guys,but as a pilot there is nothing I can do.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
I think you're having a different conversation. I believe it's reasonable to think things will someday change.
You like it well enough obviously, as you intend to hang on. My point continues to be that for Skywest it's too late to really do anything unless management grants it. Regionals continue to make across the board improvements. Skywest will do a few of those improvements when they feel its necessary.
If Skywest pilots were unhappy they'd leave. If they did Skywest would make changes.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I think you miss a lot of the point of having a union if you think it's only about getting a few improvements to work rules or pay rates.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
I think the giant rise in pay at the regional level in a market effect. I think skywest will have to drag along slowly and "keep up". That is to say, that while their improvements will be smaller and market driven, theybwill happen or Skywest will point tits up.
But let me be more clear. The union groups are not only going to be able to leverage the need for new hires into a wide range of benefits, a lot of little things in tons of areas, which added up are big. Those pilot groups will continue to benefit and as long as the economy doesn't go sideways, those pilots will have a wonderful life in the regionals, and skywest will get something smaller and make less, but they'll be told they make more and thoae pilots will believe it because that's the culture.
For pilots at skywest to do anything right now, when the pilot group is the same bunch of no voters from years back, who voted yes to a hilariously small wage, I don't see that going well. I'd be happy to see them prove me wrong, but i have no faith in them to vote in a union, or achieve anything other than what they lost. Maybe if they could be a 4th place regional in total compensation? Idk, is that even realistic? They aren't going to be first, they never were first factually speaking. Maybe if they go into arbitration, but instead of arbitration they go to The View, and Skywest guys can talk about their feelings and how they feel theyre owed more? Does that happen? I don't remember anymore, been a while.
Maybe they could innovate, because union groups are too stupid and corrupt and toothless to innovate like a non union employee group. Innovate by taking their claims to The View and have the audience vote if they should be paid better.
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Cloud Surfer
All Roads lead to Trantor
Come over to the ERJ. My buddy just did in DEN and is enjoying the 15+ days off every month. Like a different airline he says.
Exaggerations. It's not as bad as they say. I don't know what it is but when a CRJ guy talks to an ERJ guy its "omg i flew 28 legs this 4 day and each overnight was 10 hours and we deiced every time" In my opinion if you were hired at Skywest after 2015 complain at your own peril.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Try again.
ahsmatt7
Well-Known Member
You're doing it wrong....
Gotta do a better job of keeping the company average up....
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ahsmatt7
Well-Known Member
Below industry standard pay is plenty to complain about.
Agree with you, just not with your complainer CRJ buddies
Almost 1,000 seniority numbers in 2 years... People are leaving. Granted a lot to majors and not to other regionals, but making a lateral move while close to upgrade would be a pretty colossally stupid move.
Karnage
I-am-a-pirate. I do not need credentials!
Depends on where you're based. CRJ FO, 83-ish% in base, 13-15 days off (when I don't intentionally bid reserve), some 5 leg days but most are 2,3, or 4 leg days, and I usually can get or swap/trade into any days off I need without having to offer up a month's salary to get someone to take it or call out. While I credit around 95 hours a month it's usually because I answer my phone when CS calls to offer stand ups at 150%.
It's a different company west of the Rockies, and not just at the mothership. CRJ life out in the desert is pretty nice. Oh sure there's plenty I'd like to see changed, but I'm not exactly feeling over worked or exhausted because my trips are making me work too hard. Hell, at times I get annoyed because I don't work enough with quite a few 1 and 2 leg days that don't come close to breaking min guarantee or making me feel like I did anything that justified the effort of making the monkey suit look good. Outside of the occasional odd reserve routing I can't remember the last time I only got 10 hours for a layover, most are in the 13-20 hour range. Hell, even when I go out of base and pick up more 200 trips (we only have one 200 route here), I can't remember the last time I had a trip where I had more than 1 day with more than 4 legs. Again, it's just a different world when you get away from ORD and DTW.
Karnage
I-am-a-pirate. I do not need credentials!
16 months and I've moved up ~750 spots. BUT, we have 400 more on the list than when I started. Until the overall numbers start going in the wrong direction, Inc has no reason to offer us much of anything as what we have now is obviously still bringing people in the doors.