United to Buy ExpressJet?

Depends on where you're based. CRJ FO, 83-ish% in base, 13-15 days off (when I don't intentionally bid reserve), some 5 leg days but most are 2,3, or 4 leg days, and I usually can get or swap/trade into any days off I need without having to offer up a month's salary to get someone to take it or call out. While I credit around 95 hours a month it's usually because I answer my phone when CS calls to offer stand ups at 150%.

It's a different company west of the Rockies, and not just at the mothership. CRJ life out in the desert is pretty nice. Oh sure there's plenty I'd like to see changed, but I'm not exactly feeling over worked or exhausted because my trips are making me work too hard. Hell, at times I get annoyed because I don't work enough with quite a few 1 and 2 leg days that don't come close to breaking min guarantee or making me feel like I did anything that justified the effort of making the monkey suit look good. Outside of the occasional odd reserve routing I can't remember the last time I only got 10 hours for a layover, most are in the 13-20 hour range. Hell, even when I go out of base and pick up more 200 trips (we only have one 200 route here), I can't remember the last time I had a trip where I had more than 1 day with more than 4 legs. Again, it's just a different world when you get away from ORD and DTW.
Ok so those guys aren't exaggerating....

Like you said, it's quite different in ORD and dtw than what you explain. Back when I was based in Houston, just as they erj was coming onto property, the flying was great. It's not like that anymore.

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Almost 1,000 seniority numbers in 2 years... People are leaving. Granted a lot to majors and not to other regionals, but making a lateral move while close to upgrade would be a pretty colossally stupid move.
Not necessarily, considering upgrade times are not what they used to be. I don't know, maybe I'm different but what one person chooses to do with their life or career isn't really grounds for sometime to call it stupid because it isn't a popular decision.

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Not necessarily, considering upgrade times are not what they used to be. I don't know, maybe I'm different but what one person chooses to do with their life or career isn't really grounds for sometime to call it stupid because it isn't a popular decision.

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Eh maybe my wording was a little strong and if it works for them great. But basically equating the people that choose to stay as kool aid drinkers isn't right either.
 
Eh maybe my wording was a little strong and if it works for them great. But basically equating the people that choose to stay as kool aid drinkers isn't right either.
I agree. I have noticed a different culture of FOs thst SkyWest is hiring around the crew rooms. Most of them are hellbent on getting ALPA on property.

As far as the folks who choose to stay, in my experience, I habe seen a common theme develop.....One that's essentially, they are still here because they never got a call from a major and eventually pulled their app because family life took over.

Others are still waiting for the second chance to take the Hogan test or to interview a second time at third airline of choice.

Times are definitely changing culture wise at SkyWest. Who knows where it will lead.

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Almost 1,000 seniority numbers in 2 years... People are leaving. Granted a lot to majors and not to other regionals, but making a lateral move while close to upgrade would be a pretty colossally stupid move.
I'll end this year around 950 in 12 months. Mainly because our hiring numbers are much higher.
 
I think what is happening is that the pilots at Skywest are realizing that they’re just like all the other regionals and aren’t working at Air Narnia.

Hopefully it’s enough to get them to organize.
Don’t be naive. It won’t be. The masses have known for a while. The people “in control” don’t want change. Nothing will change
 
I think what is happening is that the pilots at Skywest are realizing that they’re just like all the other regionals and aren’t working at Air Narnia.

Hopefully it’s enough to get them to organize.
Yeah, well, I don't trust Mr. Tumnus so...
 
Don't worry I voted NO!!!

I strategically voted yes. *Shrug*

I believe that there's a good chance that the aggression growing among the "I VOTED NOO OMGOMG OMG MUST KILL ANY YES VOTERS" folk will potentially bring the company back to the table to negotiate a better deal than we ever would have gotten from their second or third offer. Meaning I also don't want to quiet the rabble. It serves its purpose.

Am I defending my vote? No. I'm explaining why I voted yes. We will see, in time, how things play out. I'm just tired of seeing people not stand up for their votes, one way or another, unless theirs is the popular opinion in the school yard.

You're welcome to hate me if you like. I feel my actions were for the betterment of the pilot group, which is why I voted the way that I did. 'Yes' voters didn't expect an immediate tactical advantage.

Carry on.

-Fox
(NB—I was awarded a line this month with 20 days off, including christmas and christmas week. I say 'was awarded' because I haven't actually been able to fly it. I've been on medical leave for two months, since this is the first year of reporting being transgender to the feds, and they're very, very, very, very slow apparently...)
 
I strategically voted yes. *Shrug*

You're welcome to hate me if you like. I feel my actions were for the betterment of the pilot group, which is why I voted the way that I did. 'Yes' voters didn't expect an immediate tactical advantage.

I'm always a "first vote is a NO vote" because you're dealing with used car salesmen. They prepare for the first round not to pass. And if it does?

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Care to provide value to the conversation? Or would you rather just be condescending to a complete stranger. I'm guessing your coffee isn't ready yet.

Well, it is early. :)

"Always vote no on the first deal" is the kind of conventional "wisdom" that passes around among pilots who have never negotiated anything bigger than a used car purchase. Billion dollar (or hundred million dollar) labor contract negotiations don't work like that. Now, granted, what happens at Skywest isn't really true negotiations, nor is it a true contract, but the same considerations should go into a yes or no vote. By the time there is something to vote on, the people doing the negotiating have passed countless proposals back and forth, argued endlessly, tinkered with the language over and over again until they're blue in the face, etc. It's not a first deal. It's just the first thing you've personally seen. It's actually the result of a whole lot of hard fought wins on the part of your negotiating team. And they've brought it to you because they believe that any efforts to achieve more will result in you actually getting less because of the time value of money or other risk factors.

Now, that's not to say that you should never vote no. Sometimes, for example, the MEC (or equivalent body) has put in place a negotiating team that you think is dumb as a box of rocks and can't be trusted to make these kinds of determinations. I voted against a seniority integration at my last airline because the Merger Committee who negotiated it was in way over their head and never should have been at that table in the first place. They were conned because they simply didn't have the needed experience. That's a good reason to vote no. "Always vote no on the first deal" is not.
 
Well, it is early. :)

"Always vote no on the first deal" is the kind of conventional "wisdom" that passes around among pilots who have never negotiated anything bigger than a used car purchase. Billion dollar (or hundred million dollar) labor contract negotiations don't work like that. Now, granted, what happens at Skywest isn't really true negotiations, nor is it a true contract, but the same considerations should go into a yes or no vote. By the time there is something to vote on, the people doing the negotiating have passed countless proposals back and forth, argued endlessly, tinkered with the language over and over again until they're blue in the face, etc. It's not a first deal. It's just the first thing you've personally seen. It's actually the result of a whole lot of hard fought wins on the part of your negotiating team. And they've brought it to you because they believe that any efforts to achieve more will result in you actually getting less because of the time value of money or other risk factors.

Now, that's not to say that you should never vote no. Sometimes, for example, the MEC (or equivalent body) has put in place a negotiating team that you think is dumb as a box of rocks and can't be trusted to make these kinds of determinations. I voted against a seniority integration at my last airline because the Merger Committee who negotiated it was in way over their head and never should have been at that table in the first place. They were conned because they simply didn't have the needed experience. That's a good reason to vote no. "Always vote no on the first deal" is not.

This is all based on the assumption that the company's first offer is their best good faith offer. I'm too cynical to believe that. Management is full of bean counters that see pilots as a cost of doing business. Just like they pick hotels that make the most economical sense on overnights, they will do the same with language in a contract.
 
This is all based on the assumption that the company's first offer is their best good faith offer. I'm too cynical to believe that. Management is full of bean counters that see pilots as a cost of doing business. Just like they pick hotels that make the most economical sense on overnights, they will do the same with language in a contract.

I don't think you read a thing I just wrote. A deal that you get to vote on is not the "company's first offer." It's probably the company's 1,267th offer.
 
I don't think you read a thing I just wrote. A deal that you get to vote on is not the "company's first offer." It's probably the company's 1,267th offer.

And I don't think you understood a thing I just wrote. Management's target is 51%. They will move the goal posts during negotiations until the first vote.
 
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