Unions???

Cptnchia said:
Equating the job of dispatching to actually operating an aircraft is very humourous.
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I didn't equate one job to the other. I was just asked if I had ever done one. The answer is yes. Many, many times.

But there were a great many more times when I got a 14 hour rest period between duty periods...same as the vast majority of our pilots did. Yes, there were the occassional short overnights. But most of them put in 4 or 5 legs on a 9 or 10 hour duty day.
 
O&M said:
Pilots aren't the only ones who do "reduced rest" overnights. Dispatcher's have duty and rest requirements too. Many's the time I left my desk and reported back exactly 8 hours later. But unlike pilots, it wasn't required that I get get a "compensatory rest" period the following day.
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LMAO...

O&M said:
I didn't equate one job to the other. I was just asked if I had ever done one. The answer is yes. Many, many times.

But there were a great many more times when I got a 14 hour rest period between duty periods...same as the vast majority of our pilots did. Yes, there were the occassional short overnights. But most of them put in 4 or 5 legs on a 9 or 10 hour duty day.
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seriously, 14 hours of rest between duty periods is a pipe dream at most regionals...Hell 8-9 was only on paper.... 5 legs in 10 hours would way too effecient of a schedule for a regional too
 
O&M said:
Pilots aren't the only ones who do "reduced rest" overnights. Dispatcher's have duty and rest requirements too. Many's the time I left my desk and reported back exactly 8 hours later. But unlike pilots, it wasn't required that I get get a "compensatory rest" period the following day.
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Uh-oh visibility is down to a quarter, I hope the pizza guy can find the door.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
LMAO...



seriously, 14 hours of rest between duty periods is a pipe dream at most regionals...Hell 8-9 was only on paper.... 5 legs in 10 hours would way too effecient of a schedule for a regional too
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Well, as I say, that has been my experience. I'm sorry that yours has been different.
 
granlistillo said:
No you weren't the only one that takes a risk, you're not the only one who loses. Have you ever heard of opportunity cost?? This is micro econ 101. Not making any comments on your earlier posts or positions, just setting the record straight on this point.

Edit: I have owned a business before, and had like any other employee issues, so I am not unsympathetic to your views, just think you are calling the strike box to one side.:)
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Opportunity cost is choosing between a Big Mac or a Whopper; you may not like what you get, but you will get get something to eat. Likewise, choosing to go with this company or that company is not risk. Either way, you will get paid for your time and labor.

Risk is when you invest your time and/or money in something with absolutely no guarantee that it will pay off. My employees have no risk. They will get paid for all the work they do, whether I make any money or not. I, on the other hand, will not make any money until all my bills, including my employees, are paid. That's risk.
 
O&M said:
Well, as I say, that has been my experience. I'm sorry that yours has been different.
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To be fair, you can't crash your desk and kill 50+ people along with you when you have your 16 hour duty day.

The experiences are not the same. There are many more factors in an aircraft that can cause an increase in fatigue than you will find in the office.

Some examples. Extra continuous noise. Sucking down "less" O2 when at altitude. When bad weather hits you do a ton more work.

I have personally flown home after doing 8 hours of flight instruction and 14 hours of duty and I will never do it again.
 
O&M said:
So where did this notion come from the the employer has an obligation to "treat the employee well?" Who's paying who? Your employer pays you to do a job, and regardless of the amount, if you accept the paycheck you have an obligation to do that job to the best of your ability; i.e. to treat your employer well.

For me, the bottom line is, he who takes the risk calls the shots. Employees assume no risk, unless they also happen to be investors. Therefore their job is to do what they're tpld. An employee is paid for every minute he is on the job, regardless of profit or loss. Owners only get paid if a profit is made.
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Yeah, the employee has no risk unless their is liquid cash being pumped in as financial investment. Suuuure. I'm pretty sure if the business fails they're out of a job. Color me silly, but MOST employees outside of minimum wage jobs aren't thinking "gee if this place went under I'd do as well or better on unemployment." Most are PROBABLY thinking (having been a private sector employee who was "accidentally" told in a group meeting with IT, that IT would replace my department and thusly quaking in my proverbial boots) They have a stake too as do their families (ask me how I know). You aren't exactly embarking on a majestic solo journey to the unknown. If you have an employee, they have a stake too. If you seriously own a business learn that now. Play magnificent explorer on your own watch, the shirpas hauling your luggage would like to see their families again Sir Edmund Hillary.
 
unfortunately, he may never make the leap to get this point. He has skipped right by several posts that alluded to this truth.
 
O&M said:
Pilots aren't the only ones who do "reduced rest" overnights. Dispatcher's have duty and rest requirements too. Many's the time I left my desk and reported back exactly 8 hours later. But unlike pilots, it wasn't required that I get get a "compensatory rest" period the following day.
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Nor were you essentially tied to the desk for 14 - 16 hours at a clip either. Hey man as a controller I've worked 24 hours in 40 hours / 8 hours off between three successive shifts. I never complained or tried to say I had to deal with the same crap as a regional pilot and deserved anything. Sorry neither are the regional guys asking for pity. And sorry again, but I can't imagine domestic dispatch can hold a rear puckering candle to a 40 mile final mixing Skyhawks, F18s, commercial jets and 402s and the schedule during it? its just what it is. For one I'm glad I'm not banging into a wall in Sioux City this AM thinking I'm at home trying to get in the shower. Get off your ill deserved high horse.

You didn't then nor do you now operate a large transport category jet. Don't be the guy who knows but doesn't really know.
 
Well, I just caught up here...

Synopsis, O&M Id like to meet you in person you however do not want to meet me...

All I can say is thank god people like you exist to make people like me appear intelligent
 
O&M said:
I didn't equate one job to the other. I was just asked if I had ever done one. The answer is yes. Many, many times.

But there were a great many more times when I got a 14 hour rest period between duty periods...same as the vast majority of our pilots did. Yes, there were the occassional short overnights. But most of them put in 4 or 5 legs on a 9 or 10 hour duty day.
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Honestly, the guys throwing bags need more rest periods than a freaking dispatcher. When you work in a position where lack of sleep can cause a split second mistake which can kill you or others, it's far more important than making a prolonged decision making error on weather to "plan" an aircraft at 38000 feet or 36000 feet.

I'm going to let you in on another secret, your wizzbang computers are almost always wrong by the way.
 
Oh...he was a DISPATCHER...now it makes so much sense!

Adding in about 2500 extra pounds for an alternate that wasn't even legally necessary, bumping revenue off one person at a time...
 
genot said:
Most are PROBABLY thinking (having been a private sector employee who was "accidentally" told in a group meeting with IT, that IT would replace my department and thusly quaking in my proverbial boots) They have a stake too as do their families (ask me how I know). You aren't exactly embarking on a majestic solo journey to the unknown. If you have an employee, they have a stake too.
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Losing my job has never phased me and I don't ever worry about it. I once got canned due to downsizing and I received a six month severance package, I didn't even apply to another job for 2 months and took my time finding a better company. Getting laid off was the best thing that ever happened to me since I got a very long paid vacation.
 
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