surreal1221
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No, I don't do pharma. That's for beginners, champ.
Excellent. . .get at it son.
No, I don't do pharma. That's for beginners, champ.
The funny part about this is that the point I made in my original post; that FO's are paid the wages they are because unions don't want to expend negotiating capital on First Officer's pay, was also stated by PCL. We agree on this point. Yet for some reason, PCL seems to think I'm wrong. Well, if I am, that means he's wrong too. I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about here.
By the way PCL, you need to do a little research of your own. These guys weren't choosing to sit in the right seat.
You mean to tell me that 15+ year pilots at Air Wisconson couldn't hold a Captain bid? I'm aware of the history with the UAL purchase and whatnot, but I simply don't believe that CA bids were going that senior at any point.
To maintain their base and equipment, they certainly did.
I haven't really been paying too much attention to this one, but has anybody brought up the most important point of being a pilot?
Your goal is not to be better than the guy next to you. Your goal is not to be worse than the guy next to you. Your goal is not to get there on time more often. Your goal is not to burn less fuel than anybody else.
Your goal is to be standard, so that nobody can tell the difference between you and the next guy.
I've reassigned before, and literally within 5 minutes of getting into the cockpit I was finished with my brief and was about to launch off with a JC member I had never met before. If I had hit the guy with a car, I wouldn't have had any who he was, but we were able to complete 2 legs very successfully as if I had known him my whole life.
THAT is the goal.
Well, that's a very different story. Upgrades at Eagle on the -700 used to be at 12 years (not sure what they are now), but upgrades on the Saab were at 5 years. Personally, I wouldn't feel that I was properly representing my pilots if I focused on raising the 12-year FO rate when upgrades are available at 5 years.
There's a reason the airlines don't make any money. And as for your quest for mediocrity, I'm sure you'll make it with an attitude like that. Your goal should be to be the best you can be. You want to be exemplary. If you don't, you probably picked the wrong career. This is not a job for "middle of the roaders." This should be like Lake Woebegone, where all the children are above average. That's what we shoot for. Anything less is unprofessional.
Well, that's a very different story. Upgrades at Eagle on the -700 used to be at 12 years (not sure what they are now), but upgrades on the Saab were at 5 years. Personally, I wouldn't feel that I was properly representing my pilots if I focused on raising the 12-year FO rate when upgrades are available at 5 years.
My guess is you don't fly for a 121 airline. Because at my airline exemplary is the standard. If you don't meet that standard your out the door. I see no way one CA/FO can be better then any other CA/FO at my company.
I fly 135 and the conditions within which we fly demand professional exemplary performance, so I understand that point, but simply being "not worse" than the guy next to you is not good enough. That's doing the minimum.
13 years for DFW CRJ / 9 years for ORD CRJ
9 years for DFW/ORD EMJ / 10 years for LAX
10 years for MIA ATR / 8 years for SJU ATR
The FO pay scale stops going up at year seven. Looking at the upgrade times I think we need to work on the FO scale.
My guess is you don't fly for a 121 airline. Because at my airline exemplary is the standard. If you don't meet that standard your out the door. I see no way one CA/FO can be better then any other CA/FO at my company.
So if every pilot at your company is exemplary then
"not worse" than the guy next to you = being exemplary
There's a reason the airlines don't make any money. And as for your quest for mediocrity, I'm sure you'll make it with an attitude like that. Your goal should be to be the best you can be. You want to be exemplary. If you don't, you probably picked the wrong career. This is not a job for "middle of the roaders." This should be like Lake Woebegone, where all the children are above average. That's what we shoot for. Anything less is unprofessional.
So what exactly is "exemplary"?
So what exactly is "exemplary"?
So what exactly is "exemplary"?
I'm sorry that Seggy gets paid so much less for his work than Horizon pilots, which is the only other Q400 operator I can think off. But do you think that maybe, just maybe there might be other factors at work there other than union vs. non-union? Local demograhics, economies of scale, perhaps? Sure the union/non-union thing is a factor, but not the sole reason for it.