Unions and Pay
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jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
And you'd know that...how? Ever flown a transport category jet without the autopilot turned on?
zmiller4
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How on earth can you claim to know that?
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
ALPA did a case study on the issue a while back.
stuckingfk
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You mean you didn't get the memo? Didn't you hear, he knows everything. All his answers about the airline world are correct and are to be taken as gospel.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
I'd save that semi-witty rejoinder for when PCL is wrong. It doesn't work as good in this scenario because he is correct, see jtrain.
zmiller4
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I'd be really interested in how they did that. Comparing W2's would be *extremely* subjective...how do you factor in days off to credit ratios?
It should be no surprise at all that a study of a non-union airline's pay and benefits by an organization *attempting to organize at that airline* would show that it's not as lucrative a place to work.
Making claims that ALPA is the key to higher pay at Skywest when most ALPA regionals out there already pay less really takes away from one's credibility. I know at least a couple of people on our OC here last year really tried to stay away from that argument for that reason and stick to job protection.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
That makes you sound like one hell of a conspiracy theorist, bro. I'm sure Todd could provide you with the study if you're interested in it. And just FYI, I think they did the study while looking at work rules and pay rates. As I understand it, the soft time work rules at Express are the thing that put them over the top, and I can tell you they're pretty sick soft time rules. I flew 60 hours in August and was paid for 105 because of all the extensions I was given.
stuckingfk
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This coming from a Mesa guy. How's that going for you?
Like zmiller said, studies done by companies will always be swayed. They're not going to publish a study saying having them on property makes your pay go down. It's just not going to happen and if you think so, I have some beach front property I'd like to sell you in ND with the big bucks Mesa pays.
zmiller4
Well-Known Member
Why would that make me a conspiracy theorist? It makes perfect sense to me. You're working with statistics, which are incredibly easy to manipulate to show what you want...and ALPA clearly is not an objective party.
I'm also not claiming that Skywest W2's are higher or the same as yours or ASA's--just that I think proclaiming one way or the other is pretty tough to do.
(You're also not the only one who's credited 100+ hrs on 60hrs of block--I did that both months I was on reserve here
).
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
That's almost as bad as Godwin's law. You don't have an argument so you invoke the Mesa Sucks Clause.
Mad Skillz Yo. Mad Skillz.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Nope but the 1900s didn't have autopilots, and I flew that at 250 regularly, not really a big deal.
stuckingfk
Well-Known Member
I have a valid argument. Like zmiller has said, it's easy to manipulate numbers in any favor.
I just find it funny to see a Mesa guy arguing pay when he/she knows his pay is near the bottom. I guess ALPA has really helped him.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
It's going well, hows whatever the #### you're doing going for you? (Edit: I am guessing you are Skywest! Regardless of anything else I am sorry you have to wear a nametag.)
As far as what zmiller said -- well they are not 'comparing W2s'. Noone suggested ALPA created a study to 'compare W2s'. He is comingling the two statements that PCL said that 1) Many SKYW people have W2s that are less than XJT, ASA, etc. and 'ALPA did a study'.
ALPA did a study of contracts, which are readily available. They studied the payrates between contracts along with the soft pay (duty, trip rigs, premium pay, etc.) It is not as though ALPA put out a document that says 'SKYW makes less because we say so'.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
The Beech 1900 is one of the easiest flying airplanes in the history of the world, and Beechcraft builts true pilots airplanes that will go above and beyond in almost every category.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Are you looking for an argument? Look, I know you don't like me, and I know you think I'm a bad pilot or whatever, but lay off dude, its six in the morning here (maybe seven where you're at). I don't fly jets, woopdi do. Does that make me less of a man in your eyes? Does that mean I'm somehow less capable. You were a training captain at amflight, and an xJet FO. Now I "had it too easy when I was flying the Beech 1900," is that what you're getting at? Is that what you're trying to say when you were on autopilot in the CRJ (or whatever at XJET) and I had 4 inches of ice on the wings, descending out of the flight levels to shoot the ndb into dutch harbor. If you want to compare quality of experience and difficulty, we can do that, but not here, not now, and not on this abortion of a thread I started. Later.
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ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
By the way, have you? Except for takeoff the first five minutes, then landing, I really doubt it.
And many of us did steep turns to earn our pilot's licenses in a Cessna.. Not really a big deal.
You're going to offend more and more people with the direction you are taking this. I'm glad you like you're job. I like mine, too. But don't denigrate my profession and multiple other's to fulfill you're attention deficit. This is not the first time, either. You have belittled other jobs at the drop of a hat numerous times in the past. My advice is to stop and try listening more than talking ####. I was the same way at your age. Then I grew up a little.
Enjoy your job. It should be fun. And enjoy not working. That should be more fun. That's whats important to me. Go get some eskimo tail, and when you finally do, give me a call. I'll come up there and buy you a shirley temple.
You wanted a civilized conversation, so keep it that way.
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