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aloft said:
Funny how JC is the only place people seem to perceive me as having a bad attitude.
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...probably because JC is less a simple forum but a place where people know one another personally.

People over on say FI wouldn't notice or care because they themselves are complainers and just waiting to verbally destroy someone seconds after they post.

Only one other aviation forum, that I belong to, that being GVA do I have a close intimate association with the members. Not only because I'm the admin, but also because it's modeled after JC and I have members phone numbers.

And, they have mine..
 
aloft said:
Look, I don't begrudge anyone their successes,
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If you believe that, please go re-read what you posted directly knocking CitationKid's successes.

I hope you find some more flying work soon.
 
Polar742 said:
If you believe that, please go re-read what you posted directly knocking CitationKid's successes.
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Nope, wasn't knocking his successes at all. I take issue with how he got there, and how, after encountering his first taste of adversity in his whopping two year pilot career, he whined about how he was having to re-think his career choice. People with a little life experience know that you've got to have the intestinal fortitude to ride through the rough periods, which is why I'm still charging strong after being laid off from my second flying job in as many years; I understand that it's a minor setback, not the end of the world. And certainly not worth throwing away my training investment over.

Same goes for my gripe with Szluka; I don't begrudge the fact that he's gotten where he is today, but in a forum full of posts saying sub-400 hour pilots have no business in an airliner cockpit, you're damn skippy I'm not gonna condone how he got there.

As I see it, you're either for aviation safety or you're not. Tossing out atta-boys to everyone who has managed to somehow game the system--and yes Darren, that's what both Alex and Matt did, along with countless others on here--isn't exactly in the spirit of promoting aviation safety.
 
aloft said:
Nope, wasn't knocking his successes at all. I take issue with how he got there, and how, after encountering his first taste of adversity in his whopping two year pilot career, he whined about how he was having to re-think his career choice. People with a little life experience know that you've got to have the intestinal fortitude to ride through the rough periods, which is why I'm still charging strong after being laid off from my second flying job in as many years; I understand that it's a minor setback, not the end of the world. And certainly not worth throwing away my training investment over.
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Sounds like a case of sour grapes to me.

CTK is a young guy, big deal. He got his first taste of the real world when he was laid off. How did you react to yours? Judging by all your posts here, I'd say not well.

You don't even have 135 mins and are harping about 400hr heroes. Well, guess what, right now you're still one of them with one key difference: a lot of them are employed.

Attitude can take you places in life, how far is up to you.
 
WacoFan said:
I can't think of people I have disagreed with more than Jtrain and Surreal and Tony. I imagine that if I were in Michigan, Atlanta or MD and really needed help though - like I was in town for business and something happened - those guys would be a phone call or PM away and they would help me. Same if they were in KC...I would help them. That is networking.
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Yep. I may vehemently disagree with your views on many things, but I think you are a good person and if you needed a hand I would lend you one. That's the way it should be.

cencal83406 said:
I think that whats makes good friendships... even online ones, strong. And why I want to go to NJC.... to put faces with the names. It's definitely something.... we may disagree vehemently on things but in the end we like the people who post because they come across as good people.
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Go. You will enjoy it. I promise you that. And hold me to that promise if you go. I'll make damn sure I live up to it.
 
aloft said:
Same goes for my gripe with Szluka; I don't begrudge the fact that he's gotten where he is today, but in a forum full of posts saying sub-400 hour pilots have no business in an airliner cockpit, you're damn skippy I'm not gonna condone how he got there.

As I see it, you're either for aviation safety or you're not. Tossing out atta-boys to everyone who has managed to somehow game the system--and yes Darren, that's what both Alex and Matt did, along with countless others on here--isn't exactly in the spirit of promoting aviation safety.
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Your attitude doesn't belong in a cockpit if you really want to think about safety. Many folks who have low time like CitationKid are there soaking up knowledge and not trying to act like they're some sort of gift to aviation.

Hazardous attitude -> Macho..... you're better than every other low timer (yes, you are a low timer) because of the path you took.
 
CTK is a young guy, big deal. He got his first taste of the real world when he was laid off.
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Just for the record, that was not the first time I was laid off, it was the fourth, in two years. I was also laid off from a line service job a few years prior, so I've really been laid off five times. There was no complaining associated with the other layoffs. I know a little bit about the "Real World" and sucking it up. I made one statement about how I was dissapointed I was laid off and decided, instead of working for someone else, I would like to start my own aviation business and work for myself (in other words, a new career path). Aloft interpreted that in his own odd way and we now have the conversation we are having.

Alex.
 
aloft said:
Nope, wasn't knocking his successes at all. I take issue with how he got there, and how, after encountering his first taste of adversity in his whopping two year pilot career, he whined about how he was having to re-think his career choice. People with a little life experience know that you've got to have the intestinal fortitude to ride through the rough periods, which is why I'm still charging strong after being laid off from my second flying job in as many years; I understand that it's a minor setback, not the end of the world. And certainly not worth throwing away my training investment over.

Same goes for my gripe with Szluka; I don't begrudge the fact that he's gotten where he is today, but in a forum full of posts saying sub-400 hour pilots have no business in an airliner cockpit, you're damn skippy I'm not gonna condone how he got there.

As I see it, you're either for aviation safety or you're not. Tossing out atta-boys to everyone who has managed to somehow game the system--and yes Darren, that's what both Alex and Matt did, along with countless others on here--isn't exactly in the spirit of promoting aviation safety.
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Actually...CKD has 2,200 hours (according to his profile), so I wouldn't call him low time - in fact that would make him about a thousand more than you. Now - CK gave a breakdown of his time that he got because of his parents in multi and jets - and it wasn't huge. So, subtract 500 hours of his time (which is more than his breakdown) and he still has 500 more than you. And he is 20. And he is already working on his masters. And he flies B-25's. Do you get this mad that Tom Brady "gamed the system" and is QB of the Patriots and bangs Giselle? Sometimes in life we encounter people that are younger than us, have accomplished more than us, and have made better choices than us...but that just happens. You don't crap all over their accomplishments to make you feel better or justify your own standing, that just isn't how it is done. Seriously - who was the FIRST post in this thread after yours - it was CK. Now, if you had questioned my entire progression and fortitude in another thread and accused me of whining at the face of adversity...I would probably not be the first person to console you after you posted your own thread about losing a job. CK was the bigger man and you still are taking shots at the way he has accumulated more in aviation. Guess what - I'm 39 and he has accomplished more in aviation...doesn't mean I should question his qualifications, question his methods of attaining them, or do anything but say "Boy, CK is sure ahead of the game...good for him". If you are not happy with how things are going, then YOU have to change them - JC can be a wonderful forum with supportive people if you decide on this course. In fact, interweb or not, it is one of the most tightly bound communities I have experienced within aviation or otherwise.
 
aloft said:
As I see it, you're either for aviation safety or you're not. Tossing out atta-boys to everyone who has managed to somehow game the system--and yes Darren, that's what both Alex and Matt did, along with countless others on here--isn't exactly in the spirit of promoting aviation safety.
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Those two guys have a good head on their shoulders which is the most important thing when it comes to aviation safety. You'll learn that eventually, hopefully the easy way.
 
Who cares????

Not everyone in life is awarded the same opportunities. That's life and it's not fair.

Deal with it.
 
aloft said:
As I see it, you're either for aviation safety or you're not. Tossing out atta-boys to everyone who has managed to somehow game the system--and yes Darren, that's what both Alex and Matt did, along with countless others on here--isn't exactly in the spirit of promoting aviation safety.
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That paragraph is somewhat ironic, considering I'm currently in Houston preparing for my month of facilitating Crew Resource Management training, as well as doing some evaluation and training for our recurrent LOFT program. I am a huge advocate for aviation/airline safety, and have been ever since I began studying it in college. That's why rather than pull up the ladder, I hope to see improvements made that will truly increase safety, even for low time pilots.

Matt, I purposefully made my original post as a "shock and awe" response to HELP you. JetCareers is one of the best resources for networking and aviation education available on the Internet, and I want you to understand just how your posts are viewed by people who can possibly open doors for you.

Like I said earlier, I wish you good luck. I truly mean it.
 
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esa17 said:
CTK is a young guy, big deal. He got his first taste of the real world when he was laid off. How did you react to yours? Judging by all your posts here, I'd say not well.
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And that would be an error in judgment on your part. Being more than twice Alex's age, I've dealt with far more adversity (success, too) in my life and have learned to roll with the punches. As I've said, you certainly don't see me throwing in the towel on my aviation career over a few job losses.

WacoFan said:
Actually...CKD has 2,200 hours (according to his profile), so I wouldn't call him low time - in fact that would make him about a thousand more than you. Now - CK gave a breakdown of his time that he got because of his parents in multi and jets - and it wasn't huge. So, subtract 500 hours of his time (which is more than his breakdown) and he still has 500 more than you. And he is 20.
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That's neither here nor there. Future successes are built on past ones, and while it is to Alex's credit that he has capitalized on the opportunities that have come his credit, it's the past successes that got him here. Subtract the questionable time from Alex's logbook now and it makes no difference in his marketability. Subtract it when the ink was still wet on his commercial ticket and he wouldn't be where he is today because he likely wouldn't have gotten those experiences. THAT'S my point.

So call it sour grapes if you must, but please excuse me if I don't celebrate the fact that I have to compete in the job market with people like that, while having had no such lucky breaks myself.

WacoFan said:
If you are not happy with how things are going, then YOU have to change them - JC can be a wonderful forum with supportive people if you decide on this course. In fact, interweb or not, it is one of the most tightly bound communities I have experienced within aviation or otherwise.
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Sure, I used to think so too....right up to the point where you find yourself out of step with the groupthink that goes on around here and refuse to drink the kool-aid. My turning point was clearly last summer, and the GoJets threads. Before that, I was a reasonably well-liked guy on here according to others. But one dissenting opinion and 7 years of history goes down the tubes with some of you people--which I find very petty. Apparently a great many of you cannot seem to grasp the concept of agreeing to disagree and are quick to torpedo a relationship over a disagreement. Yet according to some of you, I'm the one with poor networking skills....
 
Man...there's shooting yourself in the foot. That's bad, but hey, at least it's only one bullet.

Then there's emptying the entire clip into your other foot and both of your legs.

I ain't got a dog in this hunt, but I am enjoying the thread. I'm gonna grab some coffee, sit back, relax, and watch it until I have to go to work.
 
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