UFO over Hilo

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bunk22 said:
I have read this thread with some amusement and was wondering when he would add in his two cents, his cut and paste, page....after page....after page.....after page......................
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Don't forget the You Tube videos and the JC underground gmails and pms. lmao

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ATN_Pilot said:
I can't really disagree with any of this. But, I also think any intelligent race out there probably wouldn't be much different than us. Which is why I subscribe to Hawking's beliefs on non-communication with alien life. I firmly believe that with intelligence comes a desire for power, resources, territory, etc. I don't think we'll ever evolve out of this, and in fact, we'll probably end up destroying ourselves because of it. Only a matter of time. I believe any other alien cultures would have a similar disposition and suffer the same fate. Maybe some of them could survive long enough to explore the vast reaches of space, but probably not many. And for the ones that did, I'm sure you wouldn't want to come into contact with them. The technology and weaponry that they would have would have to be absolutely unimaginable. I say ignore them and leave them to their corner of the galaxy. Let some other primitive civilization in another solar system send out signals alerting the advanced aliens to their presence. But I don't want anything to do with us doing it.
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I'm not saying that it's impossible, but I am saying that it makes it unlikely that there are hordes of intelligent alien civilizations out there, as so many people want to believe. If the galaxy was truly teaming with life, and faster-than-light travel was possible, then I think real contact would have been made with multiple alien races millennia ago.
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Well, you can count me too on that list, because I fully agree with Mr. Hawkings. Have you ever heard of the Beserkers by Saberhagen? Let's just say that after I read that novel, I found SETI to be a very, very bad idea LOL.

Frankly, it wouldn't bother me at all if we found out that we happened to be alone in the universe. That would just mean that we won't have to share. :D
 
Some great stories! The one about the craft departing out West is fascinating. Mike D and a couple others mentioned something about the "wedged shaped craft" stories. I thought the Pentagon admitted to fitting an Airship with lights in that shape?
 
falconvalley said:
Some great stories! The one about the craft departing out West is fascinating. Mike D and a couple others mentioned something about the "wedged shaped craft" stories. I thought the Pentagon admitted to fitting an Airship with lights in that shape?
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Not sure if they've admitted it, but there have been rumors for years about a military stealth blimp with lights in that configuration.
 
falconvalley said:
I thought the Pentagon admitted to fitting an Airship with lights in that shape?
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Whoops! My bad guys, you aren't supposed to know about that. :)

In all seriousness, at night when we have our envelope illumination system operating, we have had people report UFO sightings.

A large, glowing, slow moving aircraft with blinky lights can indeed look strange from a distance.
 
Dr. Tyson is the bomb! Love watching him on Nova. His final point at 8:14 says it all! This same interview above, is here with the last few minutes included that are missing from the one you posted and they are hysterical and true. (you can just FF to the 9:32 mark)



I have three of his books so far and they are wonderful reads. He has a great personality.
 
Apophis said:
Whoops! My bad guys, you aren't supposed to know about that. :)

In all seriousness, at night when we have our envelope illumination system operating, we have had people report UFO sightings.

A large, glowing, slow moving aircraft with blinky lights can indeed look strange from a distance.
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Yep. When I lived up in Akron, I thought for sure I was seeing a UFO one night when I was driving down a back road. There was a brightly lit up oval shaped object that seemed to be hovering at not too high an altitude. The colors were changing and it seemed to be wobbling a bit. I pulled over to look at it for a bit, and it eventually moved closer. When it did, I figured out what it was:

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At night, with the messages scrolling along the screen on its side, this thing can look damned freaky. Here's a picture of it at night:

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Tell me that thing doesn't look like a UFO if you saw it away from a sporting event where you wouldn't be expecting it. This is just one example of something mundane that can appear to be something astonishing to an unsuspecting eye.
 
Thing is, the majority of the way we actually perceive our world is based on previous experience. It's the main reason eye witness reports are so unreliable. Put two people of differing backgrounds in the same bizarre situation and their recount of it will probably be vastly different.
 
Apophis said:
Whoops! My bad guys, you aren't supposed to know about that. :)

In all seriousness, at night when we have our envelope illumination system operating, we have had people report UFO sightings.

A large, glowing, slow moving aircraft with blinky lights can indeed look strange from a distance.
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Yes, I imagine the average fruitcake would see this as an alien invasion. Nothing surprises me any more. Well, almost nothing.

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Ive always kind of liked the NASA UFO footage videos. I just got done killing 30 minutes watching a bunch on Youtube. :tinfoil:
 
ATN_Pilot said:
If that was the goal, then they would, you know, ask us! A marine biologist can't sit down and have a conversation with a sea turtle. So instead, she has to follow the turtle around, observe it from afar, etc. in order to lean as much as possible. Not so with intelligent life forms. It would be clear to the aliens that we are a species capable of advanced levels of communication, so if they really wanted to learn about us, they would just try to communicate rather than hiding in the shadows and appearing only to people named Cleatus for the occasional anal probe in the middle of the night.
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If they are capable of interstellar travel, maybe they view is as ants scurrying around our ant hill. They may be no more inclined to try and "speak" with us than we are of talking to ants.

Look at us from afar, knock on the glass every once and a while to get a reaction and occasionally burn a few of the slow and lost with a magnifying glass, or dissect them for fun or learning.

We like to think we are advanced, because we mastered air travel or have cool cell phones, but we are not that far removed from stone houses with no electricity while pooping in a hole in the back yard.
 
Matt13C said:
If they are capable of interstellar travel, maybe they view is as ants scurrying around our ant hill. They may be no more inclined to try and "speak" with us than we are of talking to ants.
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I've heard this argument many times, and I reject it. It's absolutely impossible to communicate with an ant. Sure, you could communicate with an ant to the same extent that ants communicate with each other, but that level of communication is incredibly simplistic. You could tell the ant that some food is nearby, that there is danger nearby, etc., but you couldn't have a conversation with it, because ants aren't capable of such communication. It's absurd to think that an intelligent race would find it impossible to communicate with a human.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I've heard this argument many times, and I reject it. It's absolutely impossible to communicate with an ant. Sure, you could communicate with an ant to the same extent that ants communicate with each other, but that level of communication is incredibly simplistic. You could tell the ant that some food is nearby, that there is danger nearby, etc., but you couldn't have a conversation with it, because ants aren't capable of such communication. It's absurd to think that an intelligent race would find it impossible to communicate with a human.
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Well, there are two sides here. I wasn't saying could they, I was saying why would they. When we wan to learn about a species we follow it, study it, examine it, dissect it but what we don't do is say, "Hey buddy, why are you tossing that jelly fish around, is it for fun or are you practicing for the hunt?"

On the can they, lets use Dolphins as an example, incredibly intelligent creatures, we can communicate with them to a degree, in that we can teach them to do things based on hearing specific sounds or hand motions, but we cant have a conversation. Who is to say, because we evolved communicating how we do, that an alien species will also? They could use telepathy, or light waves, or random sounds on a frequency we cant even hear. Our way of communicating may be as foreign to them as the clicks and squeals in the dolphin world.
 
The difference is that our scientists are trying to learn how to communicate with dolphins and other animals that demonstrate a more advanced intelligence. To believe the UFO community, these aliens aren't even attempting to make contact. Sorry, it's just not believable.
 
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