Trans States Airlines to get 36 airplanes

Starship said:
It probably is open to anyone who is ERJ qualified and meets those mins.. I think they were just targeting CHQ because they are being merged into Shuttle America and will probably be completely finished next year sometime.
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If true combined with the high first year pay, I think TSA will be flooded with apps
 
Gonzo said:
Trust me there are a ton of capped out Eagle FOs with 4K+ in the EMB. $42 isn't that much more than $37. Hell I have 3,100 hours in the thing and I have been off it for two years and I hate to work.
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Nope not really. But for first year guys at 23 and second year at 30 who have the time, that's a hell of a raise. And those guys will probably could upgrade faster at TSA than riding it out at Republic.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Union said hell no? There was no CBA at Colgan and never was. I didn't realize that a new union with nothing had that sort of bargaining power. That's kind of cool.
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Uhm... There absolutely was a JCBA at Colgan.

Our union had a much different relationship with management than other airlines, and after you plant one in the ground management tends to listen to the safety committee / training committee / MEC when they say "we don't find that safe."

I'm sure @Seggy can shed more light on it.
 
v1valarob said:
Uhm... There absolutely was a JCBA at Colgan.

Our union had a much different relationship with management than other airlines, and after you plant one in the ground management tends to listen to the safety committee / training committee / MEC when they say "we don't find that safe."

I'm sure @Seggy can shed more light on it.
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Really? When was your CBA ratified? Mesaba had one, pinnacle did. I never even saw yours.
 
v1valarob said:
Uhm... There absolutely was a JCBA at Colgan.

Our union had a much different relationship with management than other airlines, and after you plant one in the ground management tends to listen to the safety committee / training committee / MEC when they say "we don't find that safe."

I'm sure @Seggy can shed more light on it.
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I just figured out what you meant. You're counting the JCBA as your CBA. When you said the union said no you were referring after the JCBA.

Now before the JCBA, since you had nothing, could the union have said no? We could because we had contract language, but with no CBA, before Mesaba obviously, could you have said no? Before BUF colgan had plowed a few in so I know it wasnt because they finally found Jesus after their first accident. It was our JCBA language that let you say no right?
 
That's debatable. Technically, management isn't supposed to change the rates of pay, benefits, or working conditions following a union certification until a CBA is in place. Now, whether a court would consider an improvement to be a violation of that obligation, that's an interesting question.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I doubt it. I have some pride in my work and most of all, my pilot group.
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I had a lot of pride in Mesaba man, but things change. Mesaba guys vacated Endeavor by flow or moving on, brain drain on the union side and the line. You might look around someday and wonder where the hell everyone went. I hope you're on your way by then.

ASA is a good group, a proud group, XJT is a great bunch from what I've seen (the little I've seen). If your bottom of the list bails from stagnation you might find yourself wishing you'd left earlier.

You gotta do what feels right, but I'd hate to see you stick around and not be rewarded for it. There are companies out there that can do more for you. I'm rooting for you either way.
 
I think we are only going to gain maybe 15 or so. I honestly think these aircraft's will replace our ep's
 
jynxyjoe said:
I had a lot of pride in Mesaba man, but things change. Mesaba guys vacated Endeavor by flow or moving on, brain drain on the union side and the line. You might look around someday and wonder where the hell everyone went. I hope you're on your way by then.

ASA is a good group, a proud group, XJT is a great bunch from what I've seen (the little I've seen). If your bottom of the list bails from stagnation you might find yourself wishing you'd left earlier.

You gotta do what feels right, but I'd hate to see you stick around and not be rewarded for it. There are companies out there that can do more for you. I'm rooting for you either way.
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We have our bad apples for sure. And I feel the ERJ side is off the reservation in terms of expectations from a contract. I really don't blame the company for saying "yeah, we can't afford to do that flying."

But both sides of the pilot group are some of the best in the industry.

I also have a couple friends, who I trust greatly, that jumpseat on them frequently. They use the terms "cowboys" and "smoking hole" a lot more than usual.

Plus given work rules and pay rates, I don't see senior FO pay here being that much worse than junior captain pay there, which is why I do this. To pay the bills.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
We have our bad apples for sure. And I feel the ERJ side is off the reservation in terms of expectations from a contract. I really don't blame the company for saying "yeah, we can't afford to do that flying."

But both sides of the pilot group are some of the best in the industry.

I also have a couple friends, who I trust greatly, that jumpseat on them frequently. They use the terms "cowboys" and "smoking hole" a lot more than usual.

Plus given work rules and pay rates, I don't see senior FO pay here being that much worse than junior captain pay there, which is why I do this. To pay the bills.
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Understood. Hoping for the best for you.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I doubt it. I have some pride in my work and most of all, my pilot group.
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Well, remember that "our" pilot group is not necessarily the "pilot group" most impacted by this.

Granted, this shouldn't be of any amazingly-news for anyone at XJT. This was coming. These aircraft were not going to be sticking around.

That said, I am very optimistic that there is some good news around the corner for one side of the XJT house. Only time will tell though.
 
surreal1221 said:
Well, remember that "our" pilot group is not necessarily the "pilot group" most impacted by this.

Granted, this shouldn't be of any amazingly-news for anyone at XJT. This was coming. These aircraft were not going to be sticking around.

That said, I am very optimistic that there is some good news around the corner for one side of the XJT house. Only time will tell though.
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Regardless of their unrealistic expectations, the ERJ side is still w very professional group. I wish things had worked out a little better, but working with them day to day they are, for the most part, a great group of people.
 
jynxyjoe said:
I had a lot of pride in Mesaba man, but things change. Mesaba guys vacated Endeavor by flow or moving on, brain drain on the union side and the line. You might look around someday and wonder where the hell everyone went. I hope you're on your way by then.
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I actually did this as a Brasilia FO this summer at the current employer.

"What...what...where did all my Captain and LCA friends go?"
 
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