The Pilot Shortage -Managements Fault?

[Tommay85]

I bet that's because you've never flown an all weather airplane for fun. You can still have a mission in fun flying, hell it's actually harder in a small POS.

Uh, I used to work at Flight Express. I know it's more difficult. Most difficult flying I've ever done in fact. The Metro is just a hard airplane, but the operation overall with it is a hell of a lot easier

I suppose "I have to get over there and get hammered/laid" is as good of a mission as any! Haha

There's very few piston airplanes I would do that in though. Doing it in a bonanza/baron or equivalent? I think I'd rather blow torch my nipples off.

I'd screw around locally in a plane like your pacer though. Only if I had access to something MUCH faster however

 

[🦈💜]

You seriously can't think of anything better to do with your time, given essentially unlimited capability, than to go operate an appliance that belongs to someone else for their benefit?

I want to fly someone else's airplane. If I had a mission grander than making money for them, you can believe I'd do it... but I fear I was born a few generations too late for that.

The problem with essentially unlimited capacity, and giving myself my own missions, is that money shortcuts "earning" things. Where's the pride when you're only there because you had money? When you're a race car driver because daddy paid for you to be? When you're flying a sleek jet because you bought it, and you're type rated because you paid for the "extra deluxe champagne and caviar don't let me fail" course? When you can play any game you want, be anything you want, do anything you want, and only by dint of having money?

It would wreck the game for me. Have none of you ever played a big, long game, and edited the save file in a hex editor to give yourself 0xFFFFFFFF money, health, items, etc? Sure it's neat to be able to run around and splurge, do crazy stuff, etc... for a bit. But the rest of the game is ruined. The grit is removed. The purpose is removed. You can see the scenery and the sights, and watch all the cinematics ... but you completely lose the sense of satisfaction, of pride, of accomplishment.

-Fox

 

[scooter2525]

You seriously can't think of anything better to do with your time, given essentially unlimited capability, than to go operate an appliance that belongs to someone else for their benefit?

What would Aldous Huxley say? Well, I mean, I guess Pilots are Betas.

I would see if I could train an 8 year old to fly a CRJ.

 

[Koenigsberger_Katjase]

I want to fly someone else's airplane. If I had a mission grander than making money for them, you can believe I'd do it... but I fear I was born a few generations too late for that.

The problem with essentially unlimited capacity, and giving myself my own missions, is that money shortcuts "earning" things. Where's the pride when you're only there because you had money? When you're a race car driver because daddy paid for you to be? When you're flying a sleek jet because you bought it, and you're type rated because you paid for the "extra deluxe champagne and caviar don't let me fail" course? When you can play any game you want, be anything you want, do anything you want, and only by dint of having money?

It would wreck the game for me. Have none of you ever played a big, long game, and edited the save file in a hex editor to give yourself 0xFFFFFFFF money, health, items, etc? Sure it's neat to be able to run around and splurge, do crazy stuff, etc... for a bit. But the rest of the game is ruined. The grit is removed. The purpose is removed. You can see the scenery and the sights, and watch all the cinematics ... but you completely lose the sense of satisfaction, of pride, of accomplishment.

-Fox

The problem is you're looking for objectives from a money perspective.

I am young and I am already trying to find out how to make myself job independent. Do I hate my job? Of course not. But if I didn't have to work I could focus on academic or athletic tasks that I don't have the TIME to do.

If you want to spend 30 years working your way up the ladder at an airline for literally no reason (if you had the money) then go for it.

I can find better purpose in my life that has nothing to do with money: the money just funds my living while I pursue these things.

Why not train to run a marathon? Try to visit every state in the US or country in Europe? Learn Russian or Arabic or start a charity to help people do something?

I am astonished that there are people who cannot see outside of the employer-employee relationship.

Use the money to fund your day to day living and make the most of your actual time on Earth. Have you ever heard of someone on their deathbed who said they wish they had worked more?

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I want to fly someone else's airplane.

You know I love ya, but this is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard someone say. You do understand that your employer only hires you because he makes more money off of you than he pays you in salary and benefits, right? Your labor makes him money. This is all well and good when you aren't the entrepreneurial type and need to make a living, but it's somewhat insane to do it if you don't need the money.

Need a flying "mission?" Do charity flying! You can fly kids with cancer, dogs that need new homes, kids going to their make-a-wish destination, etc. Lots of "missions" available where you're making a difference beyond making someone else money.

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

Please don't. Some of us are actually trying to make a living in this career. I don't need a trust fund baby doing my job as a hobby.

As long as I get paid for it, what difference does it make to you? I'm no trust fund baby. I'm just expressing that I'm obviously in the right job as I would do it regardless of my financial situation.

And I do have hobbies outside of aviation. I'm in the process of starting a cattle operation on my property as a hobby farm. I finished up one of the fences this past week.

 

[Cruise]

Wish we could just pull the plug and let the FFD carriers cross over the river, and rest under the shade of the trees.

/slight hijacking

Excellent reference!

Ok, quiz time...who can be the first to cite who said the bolded reference?

 

[Tommay85]

As long as I get paid for it, what difference does it make to you? I'm no trust fund baby. I'm just expressing that I'm obviously in the right job as I would do it regardless of my financial situation.

And I do have hobbies outside of aviation. I'm in the process of starting a cattle operation on my property as a hobby farm. I finished up one of the fences this past week. View attachment 31858

I think you need a go-kart track too if you have that much land!

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

And I do have hobbies outside of aviation. I'm in the process of starting a cattle operation on my property as a hobby farm. I finished up one of the fences this past week. View attachment 31858

Very cool. Having a small cattle ranch is something I'd really like to do someday.

 

[Hacker15e]

Poppycock. I'm "passionate" about aviation (as far as I understand the way the adjective is being used, here). But if someone dumped $50 million on my front porch tomorrow, I would not be going to work the next day.

I'd be going to "work" on finding a P-51 to purchase that next day, though...

 

[mshunter]

I'd be going to "work" on finding a P-51 to purchase that next day, though...

Gah. Go big or go home. I'll take an A-26 Invader. The nose art would be Darth Vader's helmet. I'd paint it gloss black and call it "Darth Invader."

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

Very cool. Having a small cattle ranch is something I'd really like to do someday.

We are going slowly. I've only got about 30 acres in pasture, but I can make it 70 or so if we want to increase the operation. Truly we are just doing this to get the agriculture use tax rate. That and I enjoy working on a farm.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Truly we are just doing this to get the agriculture use tax rate. That and I enjoy working on a farm.

I just like the cows.

 

[T/O w/FSII]

As long as I get paid for it, what difference does it make to you?View attachment 31858

I am talking about the guy new to the industry. Not a well established 121 guy like yourself. But the day you quit 121 and take on that sweet sweet p91 gig as a hobby we're going to have problems.

Independently wealthy pilots make bad line pilots. They tend to not care about pay, upgrade themselves to nicer hotels or even pay for them out of pocket, buy their own airline tickets to sweet talk that operator into letting them sit right seat on that round the world trip, can afford to take time off to take that said trip. Pays for the captains dinners and drinks and the strip club and wow next thing you know its a type rating out of pocket because "this is so cool and I can afford it so why not!?"

Then someone like me gets the phone call "hey sorry that trip you were planing on using to pay your bills next month? Yea I got someone else to do it...his schedule is more open" Translation: "He's cheaper"

But I'm not bitter about it or anything. It's just food off my plate.

Cheap employers love it. They eat it up. And the rich kids don't seem to care.

 

[🦈💜]

The problem is you're looking for objectives from a money perspective.

Err...

I am young and I am already trying to find out how to make myself job independent. Do I hate my job? Of course not. But if I didn't have to work I could focus on academic or athletic tasks that I don't have the TIME to do.

Do them anyway. I did. I do.

If you want to spend 30 years working your way up the ladder at an airline for literally no reason (if you had the money) then go for it.

I can find better purpose in my life that has nothing to do with money: the money just funds my living while I pursue these things.

I think you have me entirely confused with someone else!

Why not train to run a marathon?

I am not a runner. I'm a hockey player. The concept of running a marathon sounds awful to me, and offers no reward.

Try to visit every state in the US or country in Europe?

Learn Russian or Arabic or start a charity to help people do something?

These goals sound extremely obligatory. My natural inclination is to say "... and then what?" So you've visited all the US states and territories... that and $5 will get you a beer. Starting a charity is fine, if that's your calling, but it's not mine. I started learning Russian (and Irish, and Polish, and German), but determined that I'm an English specialist... and without conversation partners, other languages would never stick.

I am astonished that there are people who cannot see outside of the employer-employee relationship.

Use the money to fund your day to day living and make the most of your actual time on Earth. Have you ever heard of someone on their deathbed who said they wish they had worked more?

Hi! I'm a fox. Have we met?

I am, in no particular order, a (long-since retired) professional swordfighter, a judoka, an ice hockey player, ice hockey official, musician, composer, author, swamp rat, shooter, a former civil-war re-enactor, sailor, motorcyclist, skier, unix god, programmer, diver, car enjoyment specialist, a climber, someone who loves flying aerobatics, a flight instructor, a professional pilot. I dabble in art, photography, philosophy, philology, phylogeny, enjoy literature, and absolutely adore learning. I'm a furry, a fursuiter, a camper, a lover of traditional Irish music, a flutist, a pennywhistler, a guitarist, a bassist, a synthesist, a recording engineer. I roast my own coffee, and I'm an espresso specialist (though my latte art still sucks, for some reason), but these days my main focus is on single-origin pour-over of various sorts. I ride mountain bikes, I've crewed civil war artillery, I'm a WWII nut, especially when it comes to the naval, aviation, or naviation fronts. I've raced sailboats, visited nearly every corner of the US (but none of the middle!), built ISPs and global-scale compute cloud platforms, and in short have had a whale of a time with my life so far. If I died tomorrow, I would die pretty darn happy. (Except for not finishing the series I'm writing!)

Anyway, it's good that you're open to the world outside of employment. It's excellent. Many people are far too beaten-down by society, trapped in a myopia of misery, and I am always pleased by counterexamples. Now, open your mind a little wider, and realize that even employment can provide more reward than just money. (And if it doesn't, you should do something else!)

Do what you love, and make them pay you for it.

-Fox

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Do what you love, and make them pay you for it. -Fox

What you're missing is that they're not paying you for it; you're paying them for it with your labor. Your labor generates more cash than you receive. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled that there are people without the entrepreneurial spirit who would rather generate labor for a steady check than take on the risk of going it alone, as it continues to make me more money. But if any of my employees wanted to continue doing it after winning the lottery, I'd feel sorry for them.

 

[Koenigsberger_Katjase]

The hypothetical as I understood it was that if one had €50 million dropped on their front door so I am not sure the quote is relevant. And I'm not quite sure why one would define themselves by their fetish but go for it I suppose. I do, after all, live in Berlin.

Err...



Do them anyway. I did. I do.



I think you have me entirely confused with someone else!



I am not a runner. I'm a hockey player. The concept of running a marathon sounds awful to me, and offers no reward.



These goals sound extremely obligatory. My natural inclination is to say "... and then what?" So you've visited all the US states and territories... that and $5 will get you a beer. Starting a charity is fine, if that's your calling, but it's not mine. I started learning Russian (and Irish, and Polish, and German), but determined that I'm an English specialist... and without conversation partners, other languages would never stick.



Hi! I'm a fox. Have we met?

I am, in no particular order, a (long-since retired) professional swordfighter, a judoka, an ice hockey player, ice hockey official, musician, composer, author, swamp rat, shooter, a former civil-war re-enactor, sailor, motorcyclist, skier, unix god, programmer, diver, car enjoyment specialist, a climber, someone who loves flying aerobatics, a flight instructor, a professional pilot. I dabble in art, photography, philosophy, philology, phylogeny, enjoy literature, and absolutely adore learning. I'm a furry, a fursuiter, a camper, a lover of traditional Irish music, a flutist, a pennywhistler, a guitarist, a bassist, a synthesist, a recording engineer. I roast my own coffee, and I'm an espresso specialist (though my latte art still sucks, for some reason), but these days my main focus is on single-origin pour-over of various sorts. I ride mountain bikes, I've crewed civil war artillery, I'm a WWII nut, especially when it comes to the naval, aviation, or naviation fronts. I've raced sailboats, visited nearly every corner of the US (but none of the middle!), built ISPs and global-scale compute cloud platforms, and in short have had a whale of a time with my life so far. If I died tomorrow, I would die pretty darn happy. (Except for not finishing the series I'm writing!)

Anyway, it's good that you're open to the world outside of employment. It's excellent. Many people are far too beaten-down by society, trapped in a myopia of misery, and I am always pleased by counterexamples. Now, open your mind a little wider, and realize that even employment can provide more reward than just money. (And if it doesn't, you should do something else!)

Do what you love, and make them pay you for it.

-Fox

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I'd be going to "work" on finding a P-51 to purchase that next day, though...

Stash a King Air next to my Pitts in my brand new hangar-home and call it good.

 

[Blackhawk]

I'm still waiting for that dream job working for a nymphomaniac pin up model who needs me to fly her war bird collection a few times a week.

 

[🦈💜]

And I'm not quite sure why one would define themselves by their fetish but go for it I suppose. I do, after all, live in Berlin.

Excuse me???