av8or91
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Out of curiosity, why are the SR20's not going to remain in the fleet plan? Didn't those just come on the property within the last couple years?
I heard they were big maintenance hogs.
Out of curiosity, why are the SR20's not going to remain in the fleet plan? Didn't those just come on the property within the last couple years?
I heard they were big maintenance hogs.
Hi everyone, a little bit of clearing up. Piper has stopped making the warrior, and hence the switch. We are buying cessnas as fast as possible to get a single fleet as fast as possible. 414 and 415 will be taught, or option to be taught (plan is 100% of students), in the C172. The SR20's will be leaving as well. As for the spring, no set plans at the moment.
There should be a regulation change coming from the FAA that would no longer require single engine complex training, and change it simply to complex training. This would make 323 in the C172 and 325 would be in the PA44, and fill the complex requirement.
So, expect less warriors. I expect the WARR (6 pack) would go first. As everyone seems to be transitioning to glass. I will miss teaching the pure 6 pack, but times change. Around 1940's, IFR flight was brand new and not many really knew we'd have to start flying in weather. Tell someone back then that we'd be flying 200 KIAS through a thunderstorm with 400 people in back. As for us now, navigation and communications are changing to GPS systems, and glass is the best, most complete presentation of that. So for those instructors thinking what next, it's more about ADM and management of the flight than simply reading the guages. It's about flying from A to B and seeing how the aircraft adjusts itself, rather than just focusing on +/- 100ft. So, yes UND is going full glass, but it should be interesting.
I don't like them. I will say this - it's better for teaching stall entry and recovery since it actually breaks over, unlike the PA28.
Warrior- Around $100 hour + fuel surcharges
Arrow $129 an hour + fuel surcharges
seminole- $219 hour + fuel surcharges
Instructor $47
The funny thing is, Ive asked several instructors at the airport how much the planes cost and not one could give me a straight answer. Some people in dispatch still have no clue. I just figured it out through my invoicing.
You're old, bro.Geez. I remember when the Warrior was still $70/hr and the instructor was $30.
You're old, bro.
I think four years ago, the Warrior was at $86/hr + surcharges...?
Alright, the one thing I never understood as a student was how they determine these so-called "fuel surcharges." I always ended up feeling as if it was a dry rate. (I know I'm exaggerating but you get the point.)
Does anyone know how exactly the surcharge works? I know if the price of gas is above a certain amount then we get charged.. but there must be some sort of ratio or something that UND uses to figure it out. Also, what source does UND use as their official price of gas to calculate the surcharges off of? Anyone?
And back on topic.......
Two of the new 172's arrived this morning at GFK. The leading edges of the wing are painted dark green as well. From a controllers standpoint it will be a little easier to see against the sky when on final.
Wasn't Cessna going to make a 'next generation' 172 or 182 soon? I remember seeing a picture of it awhile back and thought they looked pretty sharp. I'll have to see what Google can find me.