Teamsters suing Republic

The court will probably kick it back to the arbitration process. Technically a "major dispute," but the court probably won't look at it that way since it's a pay raise instead of a cut.
 
Kingairer said:
I didn't read it entirely, that's true. It did seem to add some needed duty rigs and some wage increases....I guess more frustrating is the bungled teamster/mgmt. relationship that more frustrating. a 12 year old contract. My contract philosophy is more of hitting singles and doubles rather than waiting for the big homerun.
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My management, no matter how desperate they may be for pilots, will not be offering Delta rates and rules for the Embraer jet. That is simply not how "bidness" works down here.

Ask high, meet in the middle.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
My management, no matter how desperate they may be for pilots, will not be offering Delta rates and rules for the Embraer jet. That is simply not how "bidness" works down here.

Ask high, meet in the middle.
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The problem is, middle requires compromise and neitherparty seems willing to do that. the ibt claims rah is being unreasonable and rah is claiming the same about the ibt. They are both right, I think. Which is why we will never get anywhere.
 
poser765 said:
The problem is, middle requires compromise and neitherparty seems willing to do that. the ibt claims rah is being unreasonable and rah is claiming the same about the ibt. They are both right, I think. Which is why we will never get anywhere.
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Time for self-help (which almost sounds dirty).
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Why? If there is no hope of a deal, a cooling off period is useless.
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sorry, I meant release them.
I realize they are working on a deal now, but it took 6 years to get the first one. To some one looking from the outside it seams absurd that it has taken this long and that enough progress was made through the process that the NMB felt they were helping.
 
ugh, fine how has there been enough progress over the last 7 years that the NMB has never declared an impasse and allowed the process of a strike/ lockout to begin. How can the NMB believe, that in all the time, over the last 7 years that the parties were actually get a deal done. when the arbitrator is about to declare an impasse does someone say "actually were ok with just this one little thing"?
 
william B said:
ugh, fine how has there been enough progress over the last 7 years that the NMB has never declared an impasse and allowed the process of a strike/ lockout to begin. How can the NMB believe, that in all the time, over the last 7 years that the parties were actually get a deal done. when the arbitrator is about to declare an impasse does someone say "actually were ok with just this one little thing"?
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It seems that you don't even have an understanding of the terms you're using. There is no arbitrator. Arbitrators aren't part of the normal Section 6 process. There is a mediator, but he has no role in declaring an impasse. Only the appointed three members of the NMB have that authority.

You seem to think that time spent in bargaining is the deciding factor. It's not. The statutory purpose of the Railway Labor Act is to resolve labor/management disputes without disruptions to air commerce. If both parties are unreasonable and unable to come to a deal, then a release just means that they'll disrupt air commerce. The NMB isn't going to allow that. If there is no indication that a release will lead to a deal, then the NMB will not provide a release. Ever.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
If there is no indication that a release will lead to a deal, then the NMB will not provide a release. Ever.
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so the bar for a self help to occur is very high in that there

A) has to be an impasse

B) the self help is the only way to break the impasse

and C) the self help will reasonably come to a solution without much disruption to air commerce.


Hence, there was a strike at spirit, because all 3 conditions were met (and they really weren't going to greatly disturb air commerce), but we will never see a strike/ lockout at American on the single condition that a work stoppage at that airline would bring air commerce to a halt?
 
poser765 said:
The problem is, middle requires compromise and neitherparty seems willing to do that. the ibt claims rah is being unreasonable and rah is claiming the same about the ibt. They are both right, I think. Which is why we will never get anywhere.
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Time for self-help (which almost sounds dirty).
 
william B said:
ugh, fine how has there been enough progress over the last 7 years that the NMB has never declared an impasse and allowed the process of a strike/ lockout to begin. How can the NMB believe, that in all the time, over the last 7 years that the parties were actually get a deal done. when the arbitrator is about to declare an impasse does someone say "actually were ok with just this one little thing"?
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To be fair, they did get a deal done, it just failed memrat. I doubt that helps their chances at all.
 
I can't help but wonder if part of this is due to the fact that the pilots are represented by IBT and not ALPA. My impression is that IBT is more militant than ALPA and is at least as interested in getting revenge as it is in getting a deal.
 
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