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i don't know if it's an IBT thing or just a burn out pilot group thing. I very much got the impression that "stick it to the man" was the order of the day when Craig was running things. Now, I don't really feel like things have changed. We have a very beaten down pilot group that feels they are owed, which they are. The problem is what they feel they are owed I am scared is not even remotely in the realm of reasonable for the type of business we are in. Full back pay? Huge signing bonus? Industry leading in every capacity? Come on.

That's a pipe dream...and the opinion I get from a lot of guys (including the NC reps) is that we get it all or we burn the house down. That doesn't leave a lot of room for compromise.

Those who marry the phrase "burn it down" and "full back pay" are naive. They don't have any experience to back that declaration and it's effectiveness and cannot see the difference between the "Street Theater" of negotiations and the actual outcome of negotiations. They are emotionally parroting what they have heard. While there are examples of how pilot group behavior does have an impact on negotiations, the actual negotiating is done by representatives, as most of us know. Both sides would be crazy to not start with the Pipe Dream and work from there. You could pick a number outside of what's reasonably attainable but how do you calculate that number without knowing all the opponent's information and knowing all the opponent's strategy. The Pipe Dream is a move that covers all of what's possible. You never know. You might catch some good timing and get what you want or closer to what you want than you thought you could attain. Good negotiators can separate their emotions from the game and move forward.

It is notable that perhaps both sides of our negotiations perhaps had the type of personality that let offers drive their emotions and maybe that did have an effect on the communication. But, how much?

I think all of this is just a matter of BB letting the line go out a little too far, IMO. We could have reached a better deal a while ago. Maybe he thought we didn't need to have anything else to compete for pilots at this point or assumed we would be done by now or does not plan on competing. Either way, we have not yet reached a deal and because of the way the current folks follow the RLA, we have to rely on the outside environment, not the skills of our negotiation team. All they need to do is ask for equal or better than what we can get. What that number is, is a matter of opinion and that's it.
 
The "pipe dream" approach is antiquated bargaining tactics that no longer works in the RLA bargaining environment. It just pisses off the NMB and drags things out. The smart approach nowadays is to come to the table with a reasonable position.

Depends entirely on your team's attitude about it and how they negotiate. Unless, of course, the NMB reps are outliers, personality-wise.

Our previous team lead had a Tude, no ifs ands or buts about it. And the NMB rep involved for a while was a former FA. That is not a good combo. A pilot with an attitude and a former FA to work the deal along.
 
Their stock is down 54% as of this second.

I wonder if the constant fires that were burning on the 4th floor (SOC) finally made its way up stairs to the 5th?
 
So...what are the odd's that the Aug 20th offer from the Company reaches the pilots for, as BB claims their "constitutional right" vote?

Seems quite clear management and RJET leadership are prepared to go down a totally different route if things do not work out in Management's Plan A.
 
surreal1221 said:
The one BB and Team referenced during their 2Q results conference call. Transcript is available on SeekingAlpha. Supposedly a best and final offer will be presented to IBT on Aug 20.
They need the agreement accepted to continue the AA purchase of RAH.
 
surreal1221 said:
I heard this rumot...but I somehow doubt the agreement will be accepted unless its somehow close to the $1 billion value the IBT pushed across the table in recent history.

I think the IBT and seabury came up with a closer valuation at about $120 million.
 
It's been a circus the last couple weeks. From company announcements about possible offerings to let the pilot group vote on (read undermine here) and the prepare to prepare for preparation for short notice negotiation sessions emails from the NC, I'm very entertained.
 
It's been a circus the last couple weeks. From company announcements about possible offerings to let the pilot group vote on (read undermine here) and the prepare to prepare for preparation for short notice negotiation sessions emails from the NC, I'm very entertained.
Yeah, I got an email from the Brotherhood Wednesday, I think, saying they were meeting with the company. Anything come out of that?
 
Yeah, I got an email from the Brotherhood Wednesday, I think, saying they were meeting with the company. Anything come out of that?

It sounds like they just wanted to make sure that the opposing team understands that their dad could totally beat up their dad. I think the goal was to double down on "you're waiting until the 20th to get an hour in the Yard."
 
I will say that at my tenure at the 'Bedford smile factory' it was never dull. Always a rumor, always something going on.
 
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