Talon pilot arrested for being drunk.
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Bob Ridpath
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The support system is tremendous, far exceeding anything of which I personally know in emergency services.
The goal should ALWAYS be successful recovery and maintenance of a safe profession, and a content personal life outside the job.
Why does that mean, though, asks this infrequent flyer (who went through a forced career change for other reasons), that one continues to fly after an infraction like this because of HIMS?
We kill one or two people at a time, generally - not hundreds, if we screw up in emergency services (and sometimes we DO screw up). Treatment for a disease is correct and laudible, but I wonder - not judgementally - why a different career choice isn't a better option at this point.
There are many other MEDICAL conditions for which a first, second - or even third - class medical won't be issued, and a much loved/ long-sought flying job can't be possible. People find other jobs, move on, find contentment and prosper for the rest of their lives in other industries, despite the hurt and challenge. Why is flying at the 121 level different?
I'm asking honestly as an outsider. What is the rationale, when public safety in large numbers is the potential risk?
The goal should ALWAYS be successful recovery and maintenance of a safe profession, and a content personal life outside the job.
Why does that mean, though, asks this infrequent flyer (who went through a forced career change for other reasons), that one continues to fly after an infraction like this because of HIMS?
We kill one or two people at a time, generally - not hundreds, if we screw up in emergency services (and sometimes we DO screw up). Treatment for a disease is correct and laudible, but I wonder - not judgementally - why a different career choice isn't a better option at this point.
There are many other MEDICAL conditions for which a first, second - or even third - class medical won't be issued, and a much loved/ long-sought flying job can't be possible. People find other jobs, move on, find contentment and prosper for the rest of their lives in other industries, despite the hurt and challenge. Why is flying at the 121 level different?
I'm asking honestly as an outsider. What is the rationale, when public safety in large numbers is the potential risk?
But there's a such thing as "DSM-V"!
jweldon
“Member”
Pilots with abuse problems need to be treated. If they will lose their job and career if their addiction is discovered, it'll only make it worse. They won't ever come forward, and they'll do everything they can to hide it. Things have to be pretty bad for them to start digging their hole and if there's no way out of it they'll keep digging.
Der rote Baron
Well-Known Member
SKYROCK
F RAN CO FILE B RAN IFF HI RAM AB IFF
Which of United's regional feed operators was this? Oh wait, Glasgow. All pilots should show up to work drunk and ask for help for their disease. The scientology like surveys are guaranteed to produce a DSM V axis II. Its easier for the psychiatrists who are not psychiatrists to pluck the low hanging fruit that way.
Experimenting with learned helplessness, milieu control, and extortion is 'support system'? Collusion, diagnosis tailoring, and cult religion enhance job safety?
Zing! You have made it clear that its not a disease. By this logic, aviation is the disease and what is necessary is a career change. People don't get tolerance like this overnight. Abusing them with medical bills and readers digest 12 step scatology is not science, not helpful, nor is it medicine. I would submit that this garbage contributed to the deaths of 144 people. Lubitz did not like the treatment he received in HIMS. He did inpatient at one of the most culty rehabs in Arizona while being denied informed consent, choice, and due process. What is more alarming is that it did not seem to matter to anyone and was, in fact, all about money, big pharma, and controlling a group of professionals in great demand, who have yet to realize their shackles are made of paper.
Correct. The book that predicts precisely how one will act when every last thing has been taken from them and tormentors are deliberately stimulating psychiatric breakdown. 'Got to hit rock bottom' - the oft heard shutdown slogan uttered by cult faithful while they diagnose you with 'stinking thinking'
You know, I think I did a medical with Dr. Berry once. He colludes with his sidekick Chesanow and the senior AME (often graduates), who implement and profit directly from the malpractice and fraud. I think he stuck his finger in my butt. I left the office after paying $250 and somehow I got the feeling that he enjoyed this. Might not have been him, but the sentiment is these medical witch prickers can charge whatever they want and do whatever they want to us. Once a pilot is in the HIMS pipeline, might as well get out the checkbook and spread your cheeks for these idiots...you're gonna pay for the infraction whether you got caught or fessed up honestly on the matter. Seriously, ever hear of a hemoccult, bloodwork? Leaving the career is a better option.
Ever wander why so many HIMS graduates are in management positions, union positions? ALPA likes them almost as much as they like selling their young into slavery.
Control
Bull.
Experimenting with learned helplessness, milieu control, and extortion is 'support system'? Collusion, diagnosis tailoring, and cult religion enhance job safety?
Zing! You have made it clear that its not a disease. By this logic, aviation is the disease and what is necessary is a career change. People don't get tolerance like this overnight. Abusing them with medical bills and readers digest 12 step scatology is not science, not helpful, nor is it medicine. I would submit that this garbage contributed to the deaths of 144 people. Lubitz did not like the treatment he received in HIMS. He did inpatient at one of the most culty rehabs in Arizona while being denied informed consent, choice, and due process. What is more alarming is that it did not seem to matter to anyone and was, in fact, all about money, big pharma, and controlling a group of professionals in great demand, who have yet to realize their shackles are made of paper.
Correct. The book that predicts precisely how one will act when every last thing has been taken from them and tormentors are deliberately stimulating psychiatric breakdown. 'Got to hit rock bottom' - the oft heard shutdown slogan uttered by cult faithful while they diagnose you with 'stinking thinking'
You know, I think I did a medical with Dr. Berry once. He colludes with his sidekick Chesanow and the senior AME (often graduates), who implement and profit directly from the malpractice and fraud. I think he stuck his finger in my butt. I left the office after paying $250 and somehow I got the feeling that he enjoyed this. Might not have been him, but the sentiment is these medical witch prickers can charge whatever they want and do whatever they want to us. Once a pilot is in the HIMS pipeline, might as well get out the checkbook and spread your cheeks for these idiots...you're gonna pay for the infraction whether you got caught or fessed up honestly on the matter. Seriously, ever hear of a hemoccult, bloodwork? Leaving the career is a better option.
Ever wander why so many HIMS graduates are in management positions, union positions? ALPA likes them almost as much as they like selling their young into slavery.
Control
Bull.
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jweldon
“Member”
He was declared unfit to fly, so I think at least one doctor did care. Unfortunately, he would have had to self report that tidbit and he didn't want to lose his license, so, he didn't tell anyone! He also thought he was going blind...
I don't think a prostate exam is enjoyable, malpractice, or unwarranted depending on your age and pee pee troubles.
knot4u
Repeat Offender
I must live a boring life, I can recall with absolute certainty when my doctor gave me the finger.
SKYROCK
F RAN CO FILE B RAN IFF HI RAM AB IFF
Its actually an unnecessary procedure these days. I must be choosing to forget. Freud and Jung were right about a great many things. This was trauma and I see no reason to dig around in a person's butt like this. Whatsmore, I think old fat fingers was enjoying it.
SKYROCK
F RAN CO FILE B RAN IFF HI RAM AB IFF
The revocation was imminent. He knew this. Doesn't make it right, but psychiatry was certainly making matters worse for him.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
It might be unnecessary for a flight physical, but not for any male who turns 50 and on a regular basis after that. Ass cancer is a bad way to go.
DPApilot
GUYSH! GUYSH! GUYSH!
Ban @bucksmith!Give it a rest, @SKYROCK. Or you shall be electronically given one!
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
SKYROCK
F RAN CO FILE B RAN IFF HI RAM AB IFF
True, lost a good friend quite recently.
Point is...bloodwork tests for prostate cancer...digging around in there is unnecessary for the most part. I was about 27 at the time. No family Hx.
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bucksmith
Did you lock the doors?
Nooooo, nobody still talks to me in the real world. I need this world, I neeeeeed this Doug!
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Or maybe it does and Talon wasn't concerned. From what I remember PRIA is dates of employment and training records.
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