Talon pilot arrested for being drunk.

Cessnaflyer said:
Not the same question. That one is to weed out the asshats.

The question would be "What would you do if a crewmember showed up drunk?"
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My post may not have been clear. Those were three different scenarios. Boris has the answer for the intoxicated crew member question.

According to the article, the authorities were notified by the captain via TVC tower during the inbound flight. While I haven't gone to live ATC and looked for the tapes, my point is if that information is correct - how did they get that far into the trip before noticing a problem?
 
CFI A&P said:
My post may not have been clear. Those were three different scenarios. Boris has the answer for the intoxicated crew member question.

According to the article, the authorities were notified by the captain via TVC tower during the inbound flight. While I haven't gone to live ATC and looked for the tapes, my point is if that information is correct - how did they get that far into the trip before noticing a problem?
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Yeah, my brain did not fully read the sentence.
 
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"A photo of the copilot in question has been supplied by a lineman.

Captain noticed the copilot only said "yeah, what and OK" on the radio, quite enthusiastically he added for emphasis.

"We also discussed his inappropriate jewelry selection and his use of "everybody get crunk" at the end of the safety briefing."

"I also had great concern for his enthusiastic engine start procedure. It was completely non standard, which featured chanting "fire up the loud", and something I couldn't discern. He was constantly shaking his head which resulted in insufficient ITT monitoring."

His "chalice" didn't fit in the coffee cup holder and it wasn't until he spilled his syrupy "Krunk juice" on the sheepskins that I realized just how intoxicated he was.


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Is he an alcoholic, which is a disease, or did he make the rookie-move of confusing the 8 hour rule with a traceable amount?

I'm not saying alcoholism isn't a disease.

My fear is "Hey, just call in sick" is going to mask a much larger problem if it's not coupled with an intervention and a realization that there is an issue (disease) or an oversight (confusion of the rule)
 
Derg said:
Is he an alcoholic, which is a disease, or did he make the rookie-move of confusing the 8 hour rule with a traceable amount?

I'm not saying alcoholism isn't a disease.

My fear is "Hey, just call in sick" is going to mask a much larger problem if it's not coupled with an intervention and a realization that there is an issue (disease) or an oversight (confusion of the rule)
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Trace amount is one thing, .30 is a disease. Most people have a hard time functioning at that level.
 
Yeah, if the guy got past the hotel room door with a .30, the odds are he's a mess.

But I'm not a medical professional, and it is therefore not my job to diagnose anyone else.

This is a hard one to figure. My best guess is that Hero Captain didn't pick up on the degree of the intoxication and was going to let it slide ("it's just one leg, I'll talk to him afterwards" or some variation on that theme), then at some point realized that it was going to be obvious to someone else and panic ensued. But that's a shot in the dark.
 
Line pilot: dude, go call in sick. You're not flying today.

Interview question: Some want to hear "Compel the pilot to call crew scheduling that he's unfit for duty"

But that varies.
 
amorris311 said:
Trace amount is one thing, .30 is a disease. Most people have a hard time functioning at that level.
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Hot damn, if that's the case, hoo boy. If there's not body glitter, cheap perfume, ATM receipts from a specious machine in a gentlemans club and a 0400 visit to a taco truck in a seedy part of town involved, Houston, we have a problem.
 
At a .30, I'm guessing he was boozing on the flight. Corporate plane on an empty leg a bathroom break could be more than than a bathroom break.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Yeah, if the guy got past the hotel room door with a .30, the odds are he's a mess.

But I'm not a medical professional, and it is therefore not my job to diagnose anyone else.

This is a hard one to figure. My best guess is that Hero Captain didn't pick up on the degree of the intoxication and was going to let it slide ("it's just one leg, I'll talk to him afterwards" or some variation on that theme), then at some point realized that it was going to be obvious to someone else and panic ensued. But that's a shot in the dark.
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The cynic in me thinks it is a weeeeee bit odd that the flight was completed. Or was it just the first leg?



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Boris Badenov said:
Yeah, if the guy got past the hotel room door with a .30, the odds are he's a mess.

But I'm not a medical professional, and it is therefore not my job to diagnose anyone else.

This is a hard one to figure. My best guess is that Hero Captain didn't pick up on the degree of the intoxication and was going to let it slide ("it's just one leg, I'll talk to him afterwards" or some variation on that theme), then at some point realized that it was going to be obvious to someone else and panic ensued. But that's a shot in the dark.
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I can see a few scenerios where the captain's hand is forced:

One of them being that the passengers notice that the FO is intoxicated and says something about it.

Or the FO bars on the flight deck.

Slurred speech while talking to ATC to the point that the are querying if there is a problem.

Possible flight deviation to one crewmember being intoxicated.



Honestly I don't understand how you can allow an individual, who appears to be intoxicated, to even enter the flight deck. I don't care who and/or how much pressure I get to go fly from whomever is sitting in the back! That flight isn't going anywhere!
 
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