Swayne coming to a 121 near you

BigZ said:
Assuming it's a serious question, quite a few things
Up until not too long ago, there were three airlines within one airline
- 145s - legacy Eagle I guess in many ways. A regional, or commuter, whatever you want to call it. Out of DFW you can fly an entire 4 day without ever leaving the state. In ORD that's harder, but most flying is bouncing around the lakes. NYC and MIA had longer routes, but both are gone now. Doesn't make the flying unimportant or lame, mind you, just more "classic regional".
- CRJ-700 - the "Original Eagle Heavy". Word has it, back in the day the CRJ guys and 145 guys didn't even talk to each other. Might be an exaggeration, but the spirit was proud (mainly meant a schoolhouse that was ran like a tight ship and always going everywhere fast - ask @NovemberEcho). Again, back in the day the pay between the fleets was very different, the flying was different (generally longer routes, no 6 leg days etc). As of 2 years ago the CRJ is gone, just about everyone moved over to the 175 (schoolhouse people included, which resulted in tightening the training, which is nice from my perspective).

Also, it is generally a junior airplane in terms of seniority - so less wait for a line/weekends off/etc.
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“Back in the day”… for new hires, EMB-145 was the senior airplane, and the CRJ-700 was usually left over for the junior guys in the class…

FO pay was the same for 145 or CRJ.

The fleet size difference 200 erjs vs 25 CRJs meant the variety of flying and QoL was better on the EMB-145 than on the CRJ. You held a line faster on the emb145. In contrast for the first 4 years on the CRJ, I could only hold Airport reserve And never flew.

But then there was turboprop pay so Saabs and ATRs went junior to CRJ, with Saab being senior to ATR because ATR meant being sent to San Juan for a year seatlock until you could bid up to ERJ.

it was flipped on the captain side CRJ being senior and EMB145 being junior because of the pay difference. You had the bitter about to flow thru to AA in 2002 guys but didn’t because of 911 on the CRJ… so it was pretty miserable to be stuck flying with those guys.

then all CRJ flying was consolidated in ORD and Eagle exercised the 25 CRJ options (until APA complained then only 21 options) and the CRJ fleet expanded to 46 planes, and the flying for CRJs changed. They became MD80 replacement flying. So the CRJs flew to stations staffed by mainline rampers, places like EWR, ATL, SLC, ABQ, PHL,SAT, MSY, MCI, DEN, ABQ, where AA RJs didn’t go, instead of Eagle ground services rampers. This affected rampers too as their jobs became threatened by the arrival of the regional jet. As ratio of RJ flying increased it meant they were going to be replaced by Eagle ground services rampers…. So the reception of the CRJs by the mainline rampers meant we were ignored until it threatened handling of a mainline AA jet. They would do the minimum required .. they would park us and put in the chocks and then walk away…. There would be times we would block in and APU running because no ground power. They wouldn’t hook us up. then with all pax off, we would leave as a crew to head for the hotel. Meanwhile we’d pass all of the passengers waiting on the jetbridge waiting for their valet bag. the cargo door hadn’t been opened and there were no rampers to be found. That happened all of the time. We were always late because the rampers wouldn’t touch us until all of the mainline flights were taken care of.

roundout said:
LOL, try having been an ATR guy at that time. Not only wouldn’t they speak to you, they wouldn’t even look at you. Unless it was to ask you to hump their bags or shine their shoes.
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well the ATR guys had their own separate crew room on the other end of the terminal away from the erj crj crews And never did the crews mix because it just took too much effort to go to the other end of the terminal but there were no emj or crj aom / jet jepp revisions in the ATR crew room and no ATR aom or ATR jepp revisions in the jet crew room.
 
woodreau said:
“Back in the day”… for new hires, EMB-145 was the senior airplane, and the CRJ-700 was usually left over for the junior guys in the class…

FO pay was the same for 145 or CRJ.

The fleet size difference 200 erjs vs 25 CRJs meant the variety of flying and QoL was better on the EMB-145 than on the CRJ. You held a line faster on the emb145. In contrast for the first 4 years on the CRJ, I could only hold Airport reserve And never flew.

But then there was turboprop pay so Saabs and ATRs went junior to CRJ, with Saab being senior to ATR because ATR meant being sent to San Juan for a year seatlock until you could bid up to ERJ.

it was flipped on the captain side CRJ being senior and EMB145 being junior because of the pay difference. You had the bitter about to flow thru to AA in 2002 guys but didn’t because of 911 on the CRJ… so it was pretty miserable to be stuck flying with those guys.

then all CRJ flying was consolidated in ORD and Eagle exercised the 25 CRJ options (until APA complained then only 21 options) and the CRJ fleet expanded to 46 planes, and the flying for CRJs changed. They became MD80 replacement flying. So the CRJs flew to stations staffed by mainline rampers, places like EWR, ATL, SLC, ABQ, PHL,SAT, MSY, MCI, DEN, ABQ, where AA RJs didn’t go, instead of Eagle ground services rampers. This affected rampers too as their jobs became threatened by the arrival of the regional jet. As ratio of RJ flying increased it meant they were going to be replaced by Eagle ground services rampers…. So the reception of the CRJs by the mainline rampers meant we were ignored until it threatened handling of a mainline AA jet. They would do the minimum required .. they would park us and put in the chocks and then walk away…. There would be times we would block in and APU running because no ground power. They wouldn’t hook us up. then with all pax off, we would leave as a crew to head for the hotel. Meanwhile we’d pass all of the passengers waiting on the jetbridge waiting for their valet bag. the cargo door hadn’t been opened and there were no rampers to be found. That happened all of the time. We were always late because the rampers wouldn’t touch us until all of the mainline flights were taken care of.



well the ATR guys had their own separate crew room on the other end of the terminal away from the erj crj crews And never did the crews mix because it just took too much effort to go to the other end of the terminal but there were no emj or crj aom / jet jepp revisions in the ATR crew room and no ATR aom or ATR jepp revisions in the jet crew room.
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I’d get up that way occasionally. I believe there was a McDonald’s in that area. That was my suffering ready reserve breakfast treat.
 
roundout said:
LOL, try having been an ATR guy at that time. Not only wouldn’t they speak to you, they wouldn’t even look at you. Unless it was to ask you to hump their bags or shine their shoes.
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They even kept us in a separate crew room! I didn’t have the privilege of entering the JET crew room until I went to the POS EMJ. I feel like as ATR pilots we were easy to identify because we’d actually talk to one another…and our shirts were yellow from all that sweat.
 
poser765 said:
I’d get up that way occasionally. I believe there was a McDonald’s in that area. That was my suffering ready reserve breakfast treat.
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I don’t want to say you were doing RR wrong, but you were doing it wrong. Einsteins bagels in D had all you can drink coffee. Nothin like being highly caffeinated and having nothing to do.
Also, jk. There’s no way to do RR correct.
 
Comair 100ER said:
They even kept us in a separate crew room! I didn’t have the privilege of entering the JET crew room until I went to the POS EMJ. I feel like as ATR pilots we were easy to identify because we’d actually talk to one another…and our shirts were yellow from all that sweat.
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I didn’t even know where the MQ crew room was for the longest time.
 
Cory Trevor said:
This hasn’t changed
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Huh? Might be geography specific, but never really had the pleasure.
woodreau said:
“Back in the day”… for new hires, EMB-145 was the senior airplane, and the CRJ-700 was usually left over for the junior guys in the class…

FO pay was the same for 145 or CRJ.
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More or less the same when I came over. 175 > 145 > CRJ for newhires, except in my class all of 145 went to LGA and there was a huge 145 ORD drop for a few classes before, so CRJ went somewhat senior and last 10 or so people ended up on 145 in LGA.

woodreau said:
The fleet size difference 200 erjs vs 25 CRJs meant the variety of flying and QoL was better on the EMB-145 than on the CRJ. You held a line faster on the emb145. In contrast for the first 4 years on the CRJ, I could only hold Airport reserve And never flew.
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I had 4-5 guys below me on the list for the first year, then another 4 were hired.

woodreau said:
But then there was turboprop pay so Saabs and ATRs went junior to CRJ, with Saab being senior to ATR because ATR meant being sent to San Juan for a year seatlock until you could bid up to ERJ.

it was flipped on the captain side CRJ being senior and EMB145 being junior because of the pay difference. You had the bitter about to flow thru to AA in 2002 guys but didn’t because of 911 on the CRJ… so it was pretty miserable to be stuck flying with those guys.
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By my time dudes in the left seat were awesome. About 10.5 yrs on property, 8.5 of which as FO, they gave us zero crap and were helpful and awesome to fly with.

woodreau said:
then all CRJ flying was consolidated in ORD and Eagle exercised the 25 CRJ options (until APA complained then only 21 options) and the CRJ fleet expanded to 46 planes, and the flying for CRJs changed. They became MD80 replacement flying. So the CRJs flew to stations staffed by mainline rampers, places like EWR, ATL, SLC, ABQ, PHL,SAT, MSY, MCI, DEN, ABQ, where AA RJs didn’t go, instead of Eagle ground services rampers. This affected rampers too as their jobs became threatened by the arrival of the regional jet. As ratio of RJ flying increased it meant they were going to be replaced by Eagle ground services rampers…. So the reception of the CRJs by the mainline rampers meant we were ignored until it threatened handling of a mainline AA jet. They would do the minimum required .. they would park us and put in the chocks and then walk away…. There would be times we would block in and APU running because no ground power. They wouldn’t hook us up. then with all pax off, we would leave as a crew to head for the hotel. Meanwhile we’d pass all of the passengers waiting on the jetbridge waiting for their valet bag. the cargo door hadn’t been opened and there were no rampers to be found. That happened all of the time. We were always late because the rampers wouldn’t touch us until all of the mainline flights were taken care of.
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I caught the tail end of good CRJ flying, as it was being transfered to the opening ORD 175 base.

Never really had issues with rampers though, glad I missed that.

woodreau said:
well the ATR guys had their own separate crew room on the other end of the terminal away from the erj crj crews And never did the crews mix because it just took too much effort to go to the other end of the terminal but there were no emj or crj aom / jet jepp revisions in the ATR crew room and no ATR aom or ATR jepp revisions in the jet crew room.
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ORD now has two crew rooms - on G and L sides respectively. G is 145, L is 175 due to planes being mostly parked at the respective gates. A tiny fraction of the old G room remains, as it got split up between MQ, JB and I think Alaska. Haven't been there in forever, used to nap there from 6am onwards quite a bit.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
At my regional we had CRJ2 but when the CR9s came (only 16 total in one base, ATL) the rumor was some guys wore their epaulettes backwards to signify they flew “the 9”
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That's a next level of special.
Had two FAs giggle once that they always know who the CRJ guys are the moment one walks into the crew room, but no deets were provided :) 50/50 chance that's a good thing.
 
They even kept us in a separate crew room! I didn’t have the privilege of entering the JET crew room until I went to the POS EMJ. I feel like as ATR pilots we were easy to identify because we’d actually talk to one another…and our shirts were yellow from all that sweat.
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Man, I thought it was bad at the old IAD G-gates being a saab 340 captain with all the upper class mesa/transstates/gojet folk. Until one day, a fistfight broke out between a transstates captain and a GoJets captain due to the whipsawing going on (or whatever drama, ancient history!). I'm sure those two individuals went far!
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
I did once by accident at SkyWest and a captain very kindly told me so and changed them in front of the FAs.

I never did it again.


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A couple months ago I was wearing the pilot sweater and only had one set of epaulettes so I kept them on my sweater. Well it got hot so I took the sweater off.

No one at any point told me I was missing my epaulettes on my shirt until I walked in to the restroom and saw my self. I feel jipped.
 
Sculprit said:
A couple months ago I was wearing the pilot sweater and only had one set of epaulettes so I kept them on my sweater. Well it got hot so I took the sweater off.

No one at any point told me I was missing my epaulettes on my shirt until I walked in to the restroom and saw my self. I feel jipped.
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I would have just assumed you were a commuting pilot, that didn’t want to be “in uniform.” But needed to be “in uniform“ at destination, or headed home.
 
mwflyer said:
I would have just assumed you were a commuting pilot, that didn’t want to be “in uniform.” But needed to be “in uniform“ at destination, or headed home.
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You either go all in or completely unidentifiable in my book. I hate seeing the sloppy half in half out, people don’t know you aren’t working.
 
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