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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
To clarify, was it a legit seat dupe on a full flight that would mean one pax is bumped and left behind because of the pos space SKY guy?
If so, ***and the JS is open***, I would have no problem as a CA if the Skywest guy offered his seat to keep one pax on and he rides up front. For our own company pilots on DH, it’s written in the book that we have the ability to do this as a DH to free up a seat for a rev pax if we want to.
The way I see it, yes the company screwed up and should have accounted for that Sky pilot ticket. But as a CA if the Sky guy is willing, and the jumpseat is open, I’d have no problem doing what your CA did. Even if there is a slight delay, I got everybody on. Right? And unless the delay was huge (doubtful) I know I can make up the time once we get going.
If so, ***and the JS is open***, I would have no problem as a CA if the Skywest guy offered his seat to keep one pax on and he rides up front. For our own company pilots on DH, it’s written in the book that we have the ability to do this as a DH to free up a seat for a rev pax if we want to.
The way I see it, yes the company screwed up and should have accounted for that Sky pilot ticket. But as a CA if the Sky guy is willing, and the jumpseat is open, I’d have no problem doing what your CA did. Even if there is a slight delay, I got everybody on. Right? And unless the delay was huge (doubtful) I know I can make up the time once we get going.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
You don't think getting the extra passenger on was a little more important? What if it was some parent trying to get to their kid's recital or baseball game, or somebody trying to make a funeral? I give the guy kudos for caring.
Still is, pilot has to agree to it. The only issue I've seen with it getting abused was AS gate agents trying to bully pilots into it, even when it was mainline metal, but they really couldn't if you said no. Definitely not a mandatory thing. Coincidentally I've had an AS pilot do it when I was an FO but never really seen it otherwise.
I don't see the massive deal IF (obviously) it's without a doubt not screwing over a commuter. In one case I did have them try to guilt a captain into sitting up there on a 4 hour flight. That's an easy no.
My excuse was always A: This is mainline and that's outside of policy so hell no, and B: I've had this deadhead awarded on my schedule for a month and a half, so the oversell isn't my problem.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
The other, perhaps larger, issue is the company then relies on the JS to be a de facto revenue seat and not the negotiated privilege that it is. Not to mention the possibility of a pilot getting stuck in the jumpseat perhaps in the middle of their duty day. There have been several occasions in the past where a gate agent is trying to pressure a DH'ing pilot to take the jumpseat right in front of the passenger. Even had reports of guys taking the jump and leaving commuters behind. Nope nope nope.
Own company, end of day DH, coordinated well in advance and ZERO other jumpseaters trying to get on? Perhaps but otherwise not a fan.
Own company, end of day DH, coordinated well in advance and ZERO other jumpseaters trying to get on? Perhaps but otherwise not a fan.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Blizzue I think it’s situation dependent. I do it, as long as the JS is open.
Here’s another one. I’m supposed to operate the 215pm to EWR. Cancelled. Next one is redeye. Now I DH on that to get back to base (and home).
Show to gate and I wait til everyone is boarded. One lady is still waiting for a seat - she was suppose to be on my original 215 flight. Now we have 1 seat - mine, the pos space DH. No JSers. So I work or with CA, and tell the gate agent, hey, give her me DH seat. And I’ll take JS. We all got home. She was ecstatic. She had to be there the next day and that she’s she booked the 215pm flight. She didn’t want to risk a redeye.
It’s not her fault. And I’m glad I got her on. And I swear her looks had nothing to do with it.
This is My Screen Name
Well-Known Member
Damn, take a chill pill. You totally missed the point. No chit its a privilege. A privilege extended by the airline and advertised as a benefit of working there.
The point was some people don't even know they have to ask or more importantly how to ask (see above example of my own). Jumping up and down and demanding they ask your holiness in the manner you expect them to say it is just being a •.
The only time I'd ever consider it, and really the way it's written in the (lol) policy manual.
It's easy to crap on new guys but I hope it was an educational opportunity rather than a shaming fest. Sounds like a frustrating situation, but I can attest that there's ZERO training really on this kind of thing there.
bLizZuE
Calling for engine starts en français
I am pretty snarky here but it’s mostly just my very dry sense of humor. I was not snippy with him at all and just shared with him why I thought it wasn’t a good idea. Military guy who was brand new to airline life. We certainly didn’t shame him for the delay (because who cares?) and I don’t think there was any tension or animosity during the flight.
Jordan93
Well-Known Member
I’m pretty chill. Where in my post did I say they should kiss my ass? And where did I jump up and down to demand they say what I want them to say?
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This is My Screen Name
Well-Known Member
Just look at the difference in how you replied to me and how you replied to Gypsy Pilot. We said essentially the same thing in a different manner - which was my entire point - and you proceed to dress me down as if I'm some nubile tweenager when I'm twice your age (guessing based on your posts from PoA in the past) as if I don't know its a privilege...
I don't know you be you though.
Maybe your 9E/Delta system is completely different than American ? Your not getting a ticket that says jumpseat on it from the Gate Agent unless you clear CASS over here. The rest is a formality that 90% of the time I've never had the Captain ask for my medical etc unless it was OAL and then probably only 30% of time. Not saying anyone shouldn't - but just my experience commuting twice a week for the past three years.
Only time I ever had a problem was the aforementioned situation where I phrased my sentence in a manner I wouldn't normally but would have amounted to the same thing if he would have listened to the whole sentence instead of jumping down my throat, point being don't' be so quick to judge.
Jordan93
Well-Known Member
I think you’re reading into something that’s not there. Again where in post(s) did I say I jumpseaters should kiss my ass and my brass ring? Cite your work please. Or where did I say jump up and down saying they should say what I want them to say? I educated the jumpseater like you said should be done. I said, hey, for future reference you may want to ask for a ride. Some other captains might chew you out for not asking for a ride.
alaskadrifter
Landing gear operator
Thanks for the laugh. Hageland is part of Ravn (the 135 side), and stuff like this is why Hageland lost their jumpseat privileges with United.
mrezee
Living the dream!
They just got their agreement with UA back a week or two ago, though they can only get a seat in the cabin, not the actual jumpseat. A friend of mine started flying there this year; he said that in training, the chief pilot was very, very firm about following jumpseat etiquette and not screwing it up for everyone else. Hopefully it sticks.
ian
Well-Known Member
at deltuh the FA can do exactly that. The only requirement is that they notify the captain they are on the FA jumpseat.
ian
Well-Known Member
oh so you are one of those "i dont care but others might" types? Very similar to the "I'm pretty laid back"