Spirit MEC shenanigans

Complete lack of communication is not a good reason? For the first 1.5 years I worked here I didn't hear anything from our MEC. I literally felt like we didn't have any leadership whatsoever.

Have a look at that 60 dollar an hour spread between the jr and senior ca on our pay scale. "You don't negotiate a contract for those not on property". Well, we're here now. Goodbye.

If this really is the reason for the recall I'm more pissed now, really this is the reason? It basically comes down to "I don't like them so I kicked them out." It does sound like the "me" generation. Oh I also love the new transparency since I still haven't seen anything about a reason for the recall.
 
If this really is the reason for the recall I'm more pissed now, really this is the reason? It basically comes down to "I don't like them so I kicked them out." It does sound like the "me" generation. Oh I also love the new transparency since I still haven't seen anything about a reason for the recall.


This is not the reason though it would be reason enough for me.

The reason is that those officers seemed to think they could wag the dog. They seem to not want to work at the behest of the pilot elected LEC. They did not endeavor to keep the LEC in the loop with negotiations and did not seem interested in taking direction from them. They, as ATN called them, probably viewed the elected LEC reps as incompetent amateurs. It's obvious that there is an elite class within ALPA.

The MEC officers work for the LEC. If they are not doing so, recall.
 
Apparently the move is very unpopular with the ALPA insiders that don't even work here but most pilots that I interact with who are not pre strikers are for the change.
 
ATN, if MEC officers are not consulting with and taking orders from the LEC whilst directing the NC apart from direction from the LEC reps, is that cause for recall?
 
ATN, if MEC officers are not consulting with and taking orders from the LEC whilst directing the NC apart from direction from the LEC reps, is that cause for recall?

You see, this right here is the entire problem. You (and apparently the people who orchestrated the recall) have a fundamental misunderstanding about how the ALPA structure is supposed to work.

Status Reps are not supposed to come into town every few months and start dictating orders to committees and MEC Officers. That structure doesn't work, and it fails wherever it is tried. Committees work for the MEC Officers, the Chairman specifically unless he delegates authority for oversight among the officers (as most usually do). The NC Chairman doesn't report to the Status Reps. He reports to the MEC Chairman. This is true even with MECs that have elections of committee chairs. The Status Reps elect experienced and knowledgeable officers who are capable of directing the NC Chairman (and other committee chairmen). After that, the role of the Status Reps is to provide broad oversight, not specific direction. Status Reps are typically far less experienced than the MEC Officers and the NC members. When Status Reps try to micromanage, they invariably screw everything up, because they don't have a clue what they're doing and they aren't in the trenches every single day seeing how things are working and getting the constant advice from the experts (attorneys, financial analysts, benefits specialists, etc.).

This reeks of ego. A few angry reps were mad that their incompetent micromanagement wasn't followed, so they decided to demonstrate their power in the most irresponsible way imaginable.

"ALPA would be perfect if it wasn't for the Status Reps." - anonymous
 
Wait, so ya'll are POed at the MEC's level / lack of communication so the answer to that was................ recall?

I don't know Ackerman but if JL also led the recall - and it seems like he did - good luck to ya'll. I wouldn't trust any rep who recorded a phone call with me without first telling me he was doing it, even if it was a one-voice only recording app. And kudos to that Finance guy for stepping down/quitting and letting these newbies fend for themselves.
 
I'm reading this on Forum Runner, so I see a CK post for the first time in a while, and it's actually reasonable! Bravo! Maybe there's hope for you yet.
 
Wait, so ya'll are POed at the MEC's level / lack of communication so the answer to that was................ recall?

I don't know Ackerman but if JL also led the recall - and it seems like he did - good luck to ya'll. I wouldn't trust any rep who recorded a phone call with me without first telling me he was doing it, even if it was a one-voice only recording app. And kudos to that Finance guy for stepping down/quitting and letting these newbies fend for themselves.
This is not why there was a recall. This is not why there was a recall. This is not why there was a recall.
 
And by the way, you should show a lot more respect to the guys you call "pre-strikers." Those are the guys who made that airline worth working for for you.

@HRDiva, would you get Charlie in here to school this guy?

I show them lots of respect. The respect doesn't seem to go the other direction as we are all amateurs.

Sorry you disagree with what's happening here. It doesn't really effect you as o believe you left the industry.
 
I've got a lot of friends at Spirit, mostly those strikers who you belittle, so I definitely care about the circus that is going to negatively affect them.
 
I've got a lot of friends at Spirit, mostly those strikers who you belittle, so I definitely care about the circus that is going to negatively affect them.
Did I belittle the strikers? Or is it you that continuously belittles me and those I agree with?
 
This is not why there was a recall. This is not why there was a recall. This is not why there was a recall.
So what was it? You still haven't said what the issue/s were.

ATN is correct about ALPA procedures here at Spirit. For those upgrading now, this will probably be the last of the 2.5-3 year upgrades--unless they suddenly increase expansion plans over what is reported to investors.

So, you are upset that there is a $60/hr spread between 3-15 year CA's. Going forward there won't be that many 3 yr CA's. What would you like to give up to get higher 2-3 year CA rates for people that won't exist? I'm sure management would gladly negotiate those rates in exchange for lower rates across the board, lesser benefits and/or reduction in work rules.

Those that don't learn from history are on a fool's errand. Those of us who struck helped build this place so you have a decent workplace. After the strike there has been no shortage of applicants. Why do you think that happened?
 
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