Southwest tries to redecorate LGA tower
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Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
“Not so funny now is it tower!?”
“Don’t panic, tower, we have you in sight and are maintaining visual separation”
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Although if my understanding of FD bias is correct that would really only come into play if you are uncoordinated, so probably not related here
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
I think you are right. I fly TW so I am never not coordinated in the 737 during single engine stuff so I never experience it.
Roger Roger
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The FD on the guppy is limited to, I think, 8° bank in APP mode. If you are uncoordinated enough, you can hit that bank limit and still be turning away from the course centerline. So you’ll be centered up on the FD roll bar but getting further off course.
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A handflown ILS is a hairy maneuver now. At yi yi……
A handflown RNAV departure procedure is a ‘maneuver’ now and has been for almost a decade because people screwed it up.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
You mean at LGA, or any RNAV departure?
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
This was probably about the time I was going missed at JFK due to windshear. That was a fun ride. If winds aloft at 2000 are 200@55 don’t try landing on the 4’s, JFK. Geez!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
It's officially a maneuver, in our Maneuvers Validation every year. You have to show a takeoff to a RNAV SID. Easy and boring, but has to be demonstrated.
(At least at our shop)
And no, still no flaps 2
///AMG
Well-Known Member
Didn't realize this was an actual requirement, but that is an impressively boring one. Maybe like a radar vector, step climb departure from somewhere in the NE would be more appropriate.....with multiple TCAS alerts or something like that
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Why were they landing with a tailwind, on a short runway?
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
JOHKR out of LAS, no vnav
///AMG
Well-Known Member
No auto throttles either
With VSD I'd take that bet though. Just put the line on the line. None of this is actually hard
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I can’t believe people keep screwing up JOHKR out of LAS.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
I can’t believe people keep screwing up JOHKR out of LAS.
Yeah, it is kinda weird. Kinda like when a navy friend of mine got violated leaving KCOS. Just like adhere to the clearance, man. No real excuse with LNAV/VNAV available (she didn't have those things, but it was vectors and altitudes, so I'm not sure what was going on).
Boots2Wings
Just happy to be here.
Boots2Wings
Just happy to be here.
I can’t believe people keep screwing up JOHKR out of LAS.
I still, on a regular basis, have to fight the urge to say NITZ…and instead call “Knights” and im based here for christ sake
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
The problem is handflying of the magenta crowd, VNAV above 10k when the speed goes from 250 to ~280-290, and the level off at or below 11,000 ft.
Initially out of 10k and approaching 11k, the FD only shows a slight pitch down, which makes the pilot think they’re doing okay. You have to pitch down into the FD and then it continues towards commanding a level off.
It’s a funky behavior that involves accelerating from 250 to 290kts, while also going through 10k but leveling 11k.
Not a big deal. Just pitch down to hold 11k and the plane will do just that. But again, you have magenta line pilots and they bust right through.
