Southwest Hiring

TaxiBack said:
Yeah I apply for everything. Ya never know. Sometimes the airline hiring webtool will state min requirements but I just say YES to everything!!!
After all, isn't YES what we want to hear! So, yes yes yes please hire me.
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Of course being serious about doing that can have un-desiralbe consequences for the applicant.
 
I have heard of overzealous applicatants ruining their career at certain majors before they began because they did something stupid like answer all yes to beat HAL 9000. Then a less than amused hiring manager looks at your resume only to get your name, writes it in his little black book, and the throws out your resume for good.

Moral of the story. If you do not meet the minimum qualifications, no is not the worst thing that can happen.
 
MT said:
I have heard of overzealous applicatants ruining their career at certain majors before they began because they did something stupid like answer all yes to beat HAL 9000. Then a less than amused hiring manager looks at your resume only to get your name, writes it in his little black book, and the throws out your resume for good.

Moral of the story. If you do not meet the minimum qualifications, no is not the worst thing that can happen.
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This, plus:
You have just revealed two personal characteristics to the hiring manager: 1) You can't follow directions, 2) Your attention to detail skills are lacking. Black book noted, resume placed in the circular file. Keep in mind the "interview" starts the moment your paperwork is submitted for review. Your interactions are also noted; were you demanding or rude with the person arranging transportation for you? Surprising how many people don't understand the interview game.
 
flygirl6 said:
I was very upfront with Delta the whole time that I didn't have experience and they knew that when they interviewed me. Yet I still got an interview.... you tell me, what were they looking for? I have a lot of other experience than just dispatching. I was in the military and I finished my commercial pilot certificate. Maybe they weren't looking for a cookie-cutter dispatcher...I don't know. I'm just thankful for the experience to learn and grow from it. (Also I'm a contractor for Delta) maybe that played into it.
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Then in that case I wish you the best of luck. Ignoring all the naysaying in the thread, you got far in an interview with a major carrier. Now it's just down to persistence. That sentence right there in the middle -- An employer who knows they aren't looking for someone like a "cookie-cutter" -- They know who they're looking for.
 
Burrito said:
And then some phone call comes from a 121 supplemental down in Miami 6 months later, and the entire time you're wondering "When did I actually apply to this position..."
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It's happened once already. Someone called me about 3 months after I applied. I had to think for a second when I applied. Got a phone interview and that was it.
 
If you meet the basics apply. I do to all of them when I meet the basics of that posting.

License. Yep.
23 ? Yep.

There is the part of preferred and required.
I was under the impression that they mean two different things.

Preferred as in we would like you to have that or else we would have put required here.


When you're filling out those basic questions before it uploads your resume and it asks 'Do you have at least one year 121 dispatch experience? " I simply honestly answer no.

Not sure what the riot in here is about.
 
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MT said:
I have heard of overzealous applicatants ruining their career at certain majors before they began because they did something stupid like answer all yes to beat HAL 9000. Then a less than amused hiring manager looks at your resume only to get your name, writes it in his little black book, and the throws out your resume for good. Moral of the story. If you do not meet the minimum qualifications, no is not the worst thing that can happen.
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This.

Potential employers highly regard honesty and integrity. If you don't meet the "requirements" stated in the listing, don't lie just to get further in the application process. It can and most likely will hurt your chances of ever getting on there.
 
To be dishonest or misleading on an application speaks volumes of ones character. What next, disregard to FAR's or company policies? I knew a guy who misled one of the major cargo companies that he had international dispatch knowledge. He got the job, but the company soon found out he didn't quite know what he said he did. He was let go. So in the end out of a job most dispatchers strive for and a will not rehire on resume. He is out of the biz.
 
Also note that your job application is a legal document. So whether you physically sign it or electronically sign it, it's testifying that what you put on there is true and not fraud. Unlike your resume which can be puffed up to whatever you wish.
 
I hope in a round about way, you aren't talking about me in these postings. Non of the past 10 or so posters has directly used/linked my screen name, so I will hope that you aren't. But let me just link something for y'all. This is Delta's job description they posted.

Job Description
Assistant Flight Superintendent
Requisition #: 252860
Atlanta, GA
Welcome! Delta is the most admired airline and we thank you for your interest in joining our team of Assistant Flight Superintendents.
Delta is known for its legendary, reliable service to its customers, our number one focus is the safety of our passengers while enhancing every aspect of their travel experience. Our award winning employees effectively demonstrate our core values: Honesty, Integrity, Respect, Perseverance, and Service in every aspect of their work. As an Assistant Flight Superintendent, you play a key part in keeping our brand strong by demonstrating strict adherence to uniform compliance, maintaining professionalism, and exhibiting a positive persona inside and outside of work. Additionally, excellent internal and external customer service is another attribute that keeps our Delta brand strong.
Job Summary: The Assistant Flight Superintendent position serves as the initial gateway to join Flight Control, with advancement opportunity to the Flight Superintendent position. Flight Superintendents provide dispatching and operational control over Delta's daily flight operation in accordance with the Federal Aviation Regulations and Delta company policy in pursuit of the highest possible level of air safety.
Upgrade to the Flight Superintendent position requires successful completion of a competency check demonstrating knowledge and compliance with the Flight Superintendent Qualification Standards.
Job Purpose: To support the Flight Superintendents, Senior Flight Superintendents, Sector Managers, and external customers by gathering and disseminating information in support of the daily flight operation. Assist the Flight Superintendents with operational issues, including monitoring the progress and safety of Delta's flights. This position emphasizes safety-conscious behaviors across all areas of the operation.
Job Qualifications: Operational and passenger service experience along with supervisory experience is highly desirable. FAA Aircraft Dispatcher License is required in addition to knowledge of meteorology and Federal Aviation Regulations; previous pilot experience is beneficial. Must demonstrate exceptional leadership, management and administrative abilities, along with strong interpersonal skills. The ability to perform under pressure is a requirement for this position. Individuals must possess a strong ability to collect and analyze large amounts of disparate information, draw conclusions, and make decisions quickly while handling multiple tasks and continually changing priorities. It is also critical that candidates have the ability to manage stress and have strong written and verbal skills in order to effectively communicate with others using a variety of media. Assistant Flight Superintendents also have strong interpersonal and quantitative skills, the ability to work independently, and practice safety consciousness behaviors.
To qualify for this position you must:

  • Be at least 23 years of age (FAA requirement)
  • Pass a post-offer pre-employment background check, including finger printing and a criminal history record check required by federal law
  • Pass a post-offer pre-employment drug test
  • Be a licensed FAA Aircraft Dispatcher
  • Willing to work in a relief role based on a Seniority process
  • Willing to work in a fast-paced closed office environment which requires sitting for long periods of time and working on computer screens
  • Willingness to resign position and sign a statement verifying one's resignation before accepting an offer of employment, if employed at a different airline
  • Be legally authorized to work in the United States
  • Be willing to work a flexible schedule, including weekends and holidays



Now, I don't see anywhere in that posting that they required 121 Dispatching experience. So I applied for the job. The actual application process DID ASK if you had 1 year of 121 Dispatching experience. To which I said NO!! I'm not sure where you all are thinking that I said "Yes" to that question, but I didn't. So I'm wondering where all these comments about the lil' black book, and the integrity is coming into play in all this. Like I said before, I hope y'all aren't talking about me....But I kind of feel you all are.

With all that being said, I really do appreciate all your feedback, and I hope it continues to be constructive.

Flygirl6
 
flygirl6 said:
I hope in a round about way, you aren't talking about me in these postings. Non of the past 10 or so posters has directly used/linked my screen name, so I will hope that you aren't. But let me just link something for y'all. This is Delta's job description they posted.

Job Description
Assistant Flight Superintendent
Requisition #: 252860
Atlanta, GA
Welcome! Delta is the most admired airline and we thank you for your interest in joining our team of Assistant Flight Superintendents.
Delta is known for its legendary, reliable service to its customers, our number one focus is the safety of our passengers while enhancing every aspect of their travel experience. Our award winning employees effectively demonstrate our core values: Honesty, Integrity, Respect, Perseverance, and Service in every aspect of their work. As an Assistant Flight Superintendent, you play a key part in keeping our brand strong by demonstrating strict adherence to uniform compliance, maintaining professionalism, and exhibiting a positive persona inside and outside of work. Additionally, excellent internal and external customer service is another attribute that keeps our Delta brand strong.
Job Summary: The Assistant Flight Superintendent position serves as the initial gateway to join Flight Control, with advancement opportunity to the Flight Superintendent position. Flight Superintendents provide dispatching and operational control over Delta's daily flight operation in accordance with the Federal Aviation Regulations and Delta company policy in pursuit of the highest possible level of air safety.
Upgrade to the Flight Superintendent position requires successful completion of a competency check demonstrating knowledge and compliance with the Flight Superintendent Qualification Standards.
Job Purpose: To support the Flight Superintendents, Senior Flight Superintendents, Sector Managers, and external customers by gathering and disseminating information in support of the daily flight operation. Assist the Flight Superintendents with operational issues, including monitoring the progress and safety of Delta's flights. This position emphasizes safety-conscious behaviors across all areas of the operation.
Job Qualifications: Operational and passenger service experience along with supervisory experience is highly desirable. FAA Aircraft Dispatcher License is required in addition to knowledge of meteorology and Federal Aviation Regulations; previous pilot experience is beneficial. Must demonstrate exceptional leadership, management and administrative abilities, along with strong interpersonal skills. The ability to perform under pressure is a requirement for this position. Individuals must possess a strong ability to collect and analyze large amounts of disparate information, draw conclusions, and make decisions quickly while handling multiple tasks and continually changing priorities. It is also critical that candidates have the ability to manage stress and have strong written and verbal skills in order to effectively communicate with others using a variety of media. Assistant Flight Superintendents also have strong interpersonal and quantitative skills, the ability to work independently, and practice safety consciousness behaviors.
To qualify for this position you must:

  • Be at least 23 years of age (FAA requirement)
  • Pass a post-offer pre-employment background check, including finger printing and a criminal history record check required by federal law
  • Pass a post-offer pre-employment drug test
  • Be a licensed FAA Aircraft Dispatcher
  • Willing to work in a relief role based on a Seniority process
  • Willing to work in a fast-paced closed office environment which requires sitting for long periods of time and working on computer screens
  • Willingness to resign position and sign a statement verifying one's resignation before accepting an offer of employment, if employed at a different airline
  • Be legally authorized to work in the United States
  • Be willing to work a flexible schedule, including weekends and holidays


Now, I don't see anywhere in that posting that they required 121 Dispatching experience. So I applied for the job. The actual application process DID ASK if you had 1 year of 121 Dispatching experience. To which I said NO!! I'm not sure where you all are thinking that I said "Yes" to that question, but I didn't. So I'm wondering where all these comments about the lil' black book, and the integrity is coming into play in all this. Like I said before, I hope y'all aren't talking about me....But I kind of feel you all are.

With all that being said, I really do appreciate all your feedback, and I hope it continues to be constructive.

Flygirl6
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I think everyone is referring to the comment , as I was, from Taxiback to say Yes to everything.
 
Ok, whew. I tend to do that....think everyone is talking about me, and nobody really is. Sorry about that. I just wanted to make my peace on the matter. In case anyone thought otherwise. :) Thanks for the reassurance.
 
womanpilot73 said:
This.

Potential employers highly regard honesty and integrity. If you don't meet the "requirements" stated in the listing, don't lie just to get further in the application process. It can and most likely will hurt your chances of ever getting on there.
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MT said:
I have heard of overzealous applicatants ruining their career at certain majors before they began because they did something stupid like answer all yes to beat HAL 9000. Then a less than amused hiring manager looks at your resume only to get your name, writes it in his little black book, and the throws out your resume for good.

Moral of the story. If you do not meet the minimum qualifications, no is not the worst thing that can happen.
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These two quotes right here basically sum up any hiring manager's headaches, aviation or not. And I think the worst thing about it all -- look, it's your life, and your career... If the application process is 45 minutes long or has a 20 minute personality survey at the end, don't go machine-gunning through it. I still work on the ramp up here maybe once a week or so for gas money, and since the Amflight buyout last year our hiring process is about 45 minutes and three websites longer than it used to be. That being said, it boggles my mind how little people care about what they're doing...did you read the application? Did you know what job you were being hired for...? Can you airplanes? But that's for another thread.
 
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flygirl6 said:
I hope in a round about way, you aren't talking about me in these postings. Non of the past 10 or so posters has directly used/linked my screen name, so I will hope that you aren't. But let me just link something for y'all. This is Delta's job description they posted.

Job Description
Assistant Flight Superintendent
Requisition #: 252860
Atlanta, GA
Welcome! Delta is the most admired airline and we thank you for your interest in joining our team of Assistant Flight Superintendents.
Delta is known for its legendary, reliable service to its customers, our number one focus is the safety of our passengers while enhancing every aspect of their travel experience. Our award winning employees effectively demonstrate our core values: Honesty, Integrity, Respect, Perseverance, and Service in every aspect of their work. As an Assistant Flight Superintendent, you play a key part in keeping our brand strong by demonstrating strict adherence to uniform compliance, maintaining professionalism, and exhibiting a positive persona inside and outside of work. Additionally, excellent internal and external customer service is another attribute that keeps our Delta brand strong.
Job Summary: The Assistant Flight Superintendent position serves as the initial gateway to join Flight Control, with advancement opportunity to the Flight Superintendent position. Flight Superintendents provide dispatching and operational control over Delta's daily flight operation in accordance with the Federal Aviation Regulations and Delta company policy in pursuit of the highest possible level of air safety.
Upgrade to the Flight Superintendent position requires successful completion of a competency check demonstrating knowledge and compliance with the Flight Superintendent Qualification Standards.
Job Purpose: To support the Flight Superintendents, Senior Flight Superintendents, Sector Managers, and external customers by gathering and disseminating information in support of the daily flight operation. Assist the Flight Superintendents with operational issues, including monitoring the progress and safety of Delta's flights. This position emphasizes safety-conscious behaviors across all areas of the operation.
Job Qualifications: Operational and passenger service experience along with supervisory experience is highly desirable. FAA Aircraft Dispatcher License is required in addition to knowledge of meteorology and Federal Aviation Regulations; previous pilot experience is beneficial. Must demonstrate exceptional leadership, management and administrative abilities, along with strong interpersonal skills. The ability to perform under pressure is a requirement for this position. Individuals must possess a strong ability to collect and analyze large amounts of disparate information, draw conclusions, and make decisions quickly while handling multiple tasks and continually changing priorities. It is also critical that candidates have the ability to manage stress and have strong written and verbal skills in order to effectively communicate with others using a variety of media. Assistant Flight Superintendents also have strong interpersonal and quantitative skills, the ability to work independently, and practice safety consciousness behaviors.
To qualify for this position you must:

  • Be at least 23 years of age (FAA requirement)
  • Pass a post-offer pre-employment background check, including finger printing and a criminal history record check required by federal law
  • Pass a post-offer pre-employment drug test
  • Be a licensed FAA Aircraft Dispatcher
  • Willing to work in a relief role based on a Seniority process
  • Willing to work in a fast-paced closed office environment which requires sitting for long periods of time and working on computer screens
  • Willingness to resign position and sign a statement verifying one's resignation before accepting an offer of employment, if employed at a different airline
  • Be legally authorized to work in the United States
  • Be willing to work a flexible schedule, including weekends and holidays


Now, I don't see anywhere in that posting that they required 121 Dispatching experience. So I applied for the job. The actual application process DID ASK if you had 1 year of 121 Dispatching experience. To which I said NO!! I'm not sure where you all are thinking that I said "Yes" to that question, but I didn't. So I'm wondering where all these comments about the lil' black book, and the integrity is coming into play in all this. Like I said before, I hope y'all aren't talking about me....But I kind of feel you all are.

With all that being said, I really do appreciate all your feedback, and I hope it continues to be constructive.

Flygirl6
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BOOM.
 
The fact remains. Delta prior to this posting was requiring three years experience. To have any real expectation that all the sudden they are going to start hiring those with zero experience is unrealistic. Some of y'all set yourselves up for disappointment way too easily.
 
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