Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Having fun, and living yo life!
So much for the "Your (Delta) application must be 40 pages!"
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Having fun, and living yo life!
There's a lot of truth to that.
All I'll get is "He flew jets. He gave out career advice to a few who got it, some who didn't, and some who took his advice, found success and disappeared into the abyss".
Never regret living your life. You've got plenty of time for "The Churn".
Not sure if I jumped into 121 too early, but the timing was so good I couldn't say no. Still want to fly for Neptune in tankers and drop on fires, still want to somehow try and get a heavy slot in the ANG, still want to fly floats in AK.
I guess getting older is realizing that there are some things you may never be able to do in life, and learning to accept that
Oh and I definitely won't be disappearing into the abyss, met too many awesome people through this site to not pay it forward. Could never pull the ladder up after me, not my style
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
It's all timing guys. When we say "oh there's a 23 year old RJ Captain," it usually doesn't mean anything done on merit, it just means the number came up and that number held a CA slot on the vacancy bid. Of course they have to pass upgrade training but with some effort and studying, it's easily doable. 24 year old hired at a legacy? Luck and timing.
When I turned 24, it was 2008. Recap............
Age 65 had just passed and little did we know it basically meant for 5 years everybody would just freeze in their current seat. Bear Stearns had just collapsed, America's mortgage backed securities were falling like dominos, Lehman Brothers was almost on its way out, and finally did in September, America entered the worst recession since the Great Depression of the 1930s, credit became nearly impossible to get until banks were saved by TARP, airlines stopped hiring, United furloughed pilots in 2008, Northwest/Delta merged, and in 2008 the following airlines closed and shutdown: Big Sky, Skybus, Aloha, ATA, Champion, Skyway, and Eos, off the top of my head. Suffice to say, no 24 year olds were hired at a legacy in 2008. Or 2009.
At the end of the day, does it really matter if you are retiring #1 or #300? Ask the United guys that were suppose to retire #8 or #15 when they were hired in the late 90s. After the Continental merger, they're now retiring ~ #400-500ish. A SLI can quickly throw your retirement number out the window. The more important question is, what is your relative seniority and how quick can you (or do you) go up the list?
If Alaska can be considered a legacy airline (which it seems to be by all accounts and per APC profiles), then I guess with this merger I can say I was "hired" by a legacy at 27. At my current major, I'm suppose to be #3 at retirement and given Alaska's average ages of newhire, I doubt there are many younger and senior. Depends how the SLI goes, but I'll probably still be in the top #10 for retirement.
But what does that really mean? Zilch. Who cares if the #1 guy is retiring or the #100 retires. Everyone below you will just be happy you're out and they move up a number. It's not like they get a Gold, Silver, or Bronze medal for retirements. If I hit 65, I don't care if I am #3. Spray my plane, give me the pizza party and cake, set of golf clubs, a retirement certificate/plaque, the sick bank payout as per the CBA, a confirmed seat back to EWR, and I am done.
When I turned 24, it was 2008. Recap............
Age 65 had just passed and little did we know it basically meant for 5 years everybody would just freeze in their current seat. Bear Stearns had just collapsed, America's mortgage backed securities were falling like dominos, Lehman Brothers was almost on its way out, and finally did in September, America entered the worst recession since the Great Depression of the 1930s, credit became nearly impossible to get until banks were saved by TARP, airlines stopped hiring, United furloughed pilots in 2008, Northwest/Delta merged, and in 2008 the following airlines closed and shutdown: Big Sky, Skybus, Aloha, ATA, Champion, Skyway, and Eos, off the top of my head. Suffice to say, no 24 year olds were hired at a legacy in 2008. Or 2009.
At the end of the day, does it really matter if you are retiring #1 or #300? Ask the United guys that were suppose to retire #8 or #15 when they were hired in the late 90s. After the Continental merger, they're now retiring ~ #400-500ish. A SLI can quickly throw your retirement number out the window. The more important question is, what is your relative seniority and how quick can you (or do you) go up the list?
If Alaska can be considered a legacy airline (which it seems to be by all accounts and per APC profiles), then I guess with this merger I can say I was "hired" by a legacy at 27. At my current major, I'm suppose to be #3 at retirement and given Alaska's average ages of newhire, I doubt there are many younger and senior. Depends how the SLI goes, but I'll probably still be in the top #10 for retirement.
But what does that really mean? Zilch. Who cares if the #1 guy is retiring or the #100 retires. Everyone below you will just be happy you're out and they move up a number. It's not like they get a Gold, Silver, or Bronze medal for retirements. If I hit 65, I don't care if I am #3. Spray my plane, give me the pizza party and cake, set of golf clubs, a retirement certificate/plaque, the sick bank payout as per the CBA, a confirmed seat back to EWR, and I am done.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
That been said, based on the current prognosis of things and retirement numbers, anyone at a regional today in their 20s is going to have excellent movement opportunities and the days of starting at legacies in the 20s will be back. It certainly wasn't like that (with few exceptions) for the 2000-2013 timeframe. Enjoy it, and most importantly, be humble at the opportunity at that young age. Anyone hired at UA/DL/AA in their 20s in 2012-2016 has hit the lottery.
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
Nicely done! We have a new number 1 on the way.
FWIW, I've done a couple of the super young chicks' initial qual, and each time they have been in the top 99% in all around pilot awesomeness... one of which to this day holds the status of best pilot I've seen come through.
I was 25 when I got hired. It's shaping up to looking like it's gonna be a dang cool ride for those starting out now. Average newhire at big D is 37-ish. So if you're hired sooner than that, you're ahead of the curve!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
They're too new to do the big No-no's of newhire training.
[V1 cut]
"Oh, you push expedite climb? Well, at [insert last A320 airline], we would pull altitude at green dot!"
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
They're too new to do the big No-no's of newhire training.
[V1 cut]
"Oh, you push expedite climb? Well, at [insert last A320 airline], we would pull altitude at green dot!"
It's actually not that.... it's learning and comparative ability, plus overall talent. The older guys tend to learn by purging the previous plane/operation (which makes for slower learning)... younger tends to a comparative approach to learning which recognizes commonality translating that to the new plane/operation while applying the differences as necessary. It is not 100% either of those.
I am very very very much a comparative learner after coming up on 20 years of flying, and it always ticked me off when I'd ask a question trying to make things solidify "ok so we did this like this here because x, how does this translate to y?" When an instructor would build a wall and tell me I'm not at the previous place anymore, I knew I had a weak instructor. We specifically hire instructors from various fleets to make sure that we have guys that can translate "other languages." I speak maddog, Boeing, bus, Canadair, and weak Embraer.
.EXP CLB and OP CLB are the same thing on the 320 with an engine out... doesn't matter, and if someone does pull for OP CLB, I won't debrief them... fifi recognizes the engine out. I would however inquire as to why they did what they did to verify systems knowledge. That's my job.
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ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
My thoughts exactly
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Really? Do I need to talk you off the ledge, like you did for me?
Trip7
Well-Known Member
I wait til they prompt me if it wasn't said in the initial brief. Lots of Capts like making all the PAs, especially the the new ones. #chameleonI beat you all.
Get me a damned grey bag, get off your phone and don't make me prompt you to do a PA when you're PNF!
Seggy
Well-Known Member
I beat you all.
Get me a damned grey bag, get off your phone and don't make me prompt you to do a PA when you're PNF!
Wait.....just wait....
Captains at your place make ALL the announcements, even when you are the PM (Pilot Monitoring for the Delta folks)?
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ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
This. Seems the FDAL guys like to do them and the FNWA guys are used to the pm doing them. Had one guy ask me if im comfortable making pa's in a very condescending way like i've never done one before, then had one who said I'm way better than him so hes gonna make me do them all. So I just wait, never know what you'll get it seems.
O i guess I'll add to the measuring contest. 27 when I started.
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That is bizarre because as I've heard that some of the captains are doing that on their legs.
Amma have to go ahead and blame @Richman's people on this.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Seggy
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