Mariano
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6'2, 150, likes walks in the park and sunsets...
Is that what you're looking for, Mariano?
I don't think I can deal with a long distance relationship.
So it begins... the wonderful TSA
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viper548
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I got nabbed going to work the other day. I requested a private screening with a female screener and they said no.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Could be something as simple as having a similar name to a suspected terrorist. God help us if John Smith ever decides to bomb anything.....
Bigey
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Nothing would change..somehow John Smith would really be Ali Mahmoud Azerbijan from Al Qaeda. After Richard Reid did the shoe stunt, nothing happened. After McVeigh did his bombing, nothing happened. Nothing will happen either if another white person does something to national security...
arooo??? what do you mean by "nothing happened"? cuz if i remember correctly, i have to take my shoes off every time i go thru security and Richard Reid is still awaiting a court date. he's not getting out anytime soon. I bet if there's another Richard Reid, Dick Reid, Rich or even Rick Reid, they're life is probably miserable when traveling...
Bigey
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Yeah true to that, but i'm going more with the classification of the "naming" process.
Who's suspected terrorists now a days? Not being "politically correct" but it's anyone with a middle eastern decent.
Oh, i also love the idea of taking the shoes off, and running a "bomb" through a metal detector? After 9/11 which was a full blown infringment on security, we have all new security measures. After someone gets so close to blowing up a plane, we play smoke and mirrors.
Oh what am i spouting off...
Middle Eastern people are in the spotlight right now. Now truthfully tell me, who are they going to screen more at an airport. 80 year old grandma with 2 grandkids, or a middle eastern man alone? Hell what about with 3 other middle easterns?
It's all bs in my book. One for all, all for one...Or so i thought...
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
While I'll agree there is more of a slant towards profiling for people of Middle Eastern decent, I wouldn't go as far to say that there wouldn't be any changes if "white people" did it. Reid is just one example. I'm sure if some white guy tried the liquid explosive thing again, there'd be another knee jerk reaction like before. Trust me, EVERYONE in the world feels persucuted by someone else. The whites feel they're being discriminated against by affirmative action, the blacks feel they're discriminated against by rich whites, hispanics feel discrimnated against by both, and Middle Eastern people feel discriminated against by everyone. It's not just you, it's everyone. It all just depends on the point of view.
BTW, 9/11 wasn't really a security failure on the airport level. That one actually WORKED. Box cutters were allowed at the time. It was an immigration failure.
BTW, 9/11 wasn't really a security failure on the airport level. That one actually WORKED. Box cutters were allowed at the time. It was an immigration failure.
Chris_Ford
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Derrrrrrrrrr that's why we're kinda suspicious around the Middle Eastern people.
You can't say "if it were a white person . . ." because 1) it's NOT and 2) We wouldn't just sit on our thumbs, and by you assuming that is just as racist as me saying something like "Arabs are all out there to blow *#&$ up".
I'm sick of people playing the victim in this damn country. Instead of going after your supposed oppressors, why don't they decry the actions of those in their same group? It seems to be a very very silent majority. If it were me, I'd be organizing 1,000,000 people protests against Christian Extremeism (if it were Christians), but instead, they'd rather just blame the government.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
So, do you cross the street when you see a black person, too?
I agree that it's just as racist, but I still don't see any restrictions going up on Uhaul trucks after McVeigh's little episode. In the history of the human race, white people have been the craziest mother&$^@ers in the bunch. Hitler, Manson, Stalin, McVeigh, most serial killers, they've all got a couple of things in common: crazy and white. But, we can't just assume all whites are serial killers, just like we can't assume that all Muslims and Arabs wanna blow us up.
I'm not saying you're right, and I'm not saying Bigey's right. My point is if we just focus on ONE group (aka Arabs), then we're leaving ourselves WAAAY open. All we need is some blonde haired, blue eyed Chechnyan female to breach security, and that'll blow a profiler's mind right there. Plus, if any of the security people can eyeball someone and tell me with 100% certainty their religion, they're superhuman. Hell, I was born and raised in the South, I'm white and went to a Southern Baptist HS. Now, the big question: what religion am I?
Now I agree with this, sadly. The Muslims NOT in the extremeist side need to start taking back their religion, or they're gonna find themselves in a really sticky situation. Those here in the US have it easy. Those in extremist controlled countries such as Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc, not so much. Speak out, and the next thing you know, you're family's disappeared. It's pretty difficult to speak out when the government has that kind of power. Things are not gonna change overnight, and probably not within a few years. The kind of power a movement of that magnitude needs a solid foundation to work.
Chris_Ford
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In an area where my I feel my safety may be breached, yes, IF they are shady looking. But that applies to hispanics and whites also, so apples to oranges.
I know you can't drive near certain federal buildings any more, so I'd say actions have been taken... As for "white people being the craziest mofos in the bunch"... Rwanda Genocide, Darfur "genocide", Genghis Khan, Tokugawa's rule in Japan, The Ottomans, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao. That's just off the top of my head... You just hear about the white people because you live in Western society.
Wiccan, FTW. I'm not saying ONLY look at the Arabs, I'm saying profile! If someone is being Shady McShaderson while in the line, pull a little El Al and investigate.
I agree it's difficult to do outside of the Western sphere of influence, but it needs to be done by those who can. And it's not being done.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
In that case, cool.
Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Romans, Salem Witch trials, America's expansion westward. We can keep going.....
Used to be, not anymore. Haven't been Wiccan for about a year now. Never really was totally happy with that one, so I kept looking. How can you profile and not profile by race or ethnicity? I agree if anyone is being shady, you should pull 'em, but that's not profiling. That's observation. IMO, I don't think the TSA sees much past the little screen or the metal detector. If they're looking four people deep in line, I'd be surprised. All the selectees are sent to another line by the outsourced person checking boarding passes, not usually the TSA.
So, you say they bitch about the government, and your solution is to bitch about them? They say the government should do something, you say they should do something. Two sides of the same coin. Still nothing being done.....
Chris_Ford
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Just sayin' that every race has their oppressors.
Damn, I thought I had you
BTW I called you a couple of weeks ago drunk... You probably had no idea 
Age, gender... But yes, I'm looking for more of an observation tactic coupled with a bit of profiling.
I agree 100%.
Except that what else can I do? Go around and force Muslims to be outraged? I'm just asking for some condemnation and a little action about it. They're asking for massive sweeping actions by the government that may ultimately undermine our security efforts. Apples to oranges again.
Bigey
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Derrrrrrrrrr that's why we're kinda suspicious around the Middle Eastern people.
You can't say "if it were a white person . . ." because 1) it's NOT and 2) We wouldn't just sit on our thumbs, and by you assuming that is just as racist as me saying something like "Arabs are all out there to blow *#&$ up".
I'm sick of people playing the victim in this damn country. Instead of going after your supposed oppressors, why don't they decry the actions of those in their same group? It seems to be a very very silent majority. If it were me, I'd be organizing 1,000,000 people protests against Christian Extremeism (if it were Christians), but instead, they'd rather just blame the government.
Yeah, let me have organized protests of people who are not of my religion? That's a good one...try again...
And why dont you protest against christian extremeism? Only when something happens you protest?
Profiling can suck my balls blatently. Whoever believes we should profile i have a personal issue with them. It's just ignorance and leaving yourself open for an attack. Not sounding like a terrorist, however, ignorance like this is unsettling and sometimes people decide to go to extremes to get their hatred out.
Chris, here, when you go out and condemn those that commit hate crimes to middle easterns which went up oh about 400% since 9/11 then i'll get out there condemning radical islam? Wtf kinda expectation is that? Chris..i'm seriously worried about you man..
You want me, just because i'm middle eastern, and not a muslim to condemn someone? I'm in no position to condemn anyone. Live, and let live - my philosophy. If they harm my living, then theres a beef. But if they want to spout off about America is the infidel etc, be my guess. You're just as entitled to say that as much as i'm entitled to say "#### off buddy."
Some people will never get it...
Bigey
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Just sayin' that every race has their oppressors.
Damn, I thought I had you
Age, gender... But yes, I'm looking for more of an observation tactic coupled with a bit of profiling.
I agree 100%.
Except that what else can I do? Go around and force Muslims to be outraged? I'm just asking for some condemnation and a little action about it. They're asking for massive sweeping actions by the government that may ultimately undermine our security efforts. Apples to oranges again.
Who's they that are asking for sweeping actions by the government. Lets see...you've profiled, you've discriminated, and you've stereotyped. You're 3 for 3 here on my things not to do....Real smooth. Keep it up!
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Chris,for someone so smart you can be incredibly naive at times. How can you being white ever possibly understand what minorities feel on a wide scale. Now you may take that as just another minority crying crocodile tears. But like the popular slogan on MTV's the real world "you think you know,but you don't."
I'm not even arabic,persian or muslim but I took offense to your post with the 9/11 terrorist. First you should know that this so called war on terror is basically a war on arabs and islam no matter if the media claims different. You'll proabably ask me to qualify my assement but to you I say you're a smart guy look around for facts. Througout history arabs and muslims have been under attack by christomdom. They have been demonized beyond belief pre 9/11 but up 400% post 9/11.
First of all what most seem to fail to comprehend is that islam is a religion that is not just indigeous to people of arabic or persian ethenticity. There are lots of white,black,asian and indian muslims so that fact right there negates any possible hope of profiling. If this were a court of law and that was your only defense I'd call for an objection based on circumstantial evidence. You state that we should profile just because the 9/11 terrorist were islamic.
But you also could have indonesian terrorist who are also islamic or blonde hair,blue eyed muslims blowing themselves up or trying to sneak a bomb aboard a plane. You tell Bigey that if his people want to stop others from having such a negative image of the arab and persian muslim community then they should be doing something about it.
Last that I checked they were. They're screaming from the top of the hills to anyone who will listen not to lump them in with islamic terrorist. But the media doesn't care because further demonization of arabs and islam sells more magazines or gets more poeple to tune in at 5,6 & 10pm which equals more advertising slots which equates more profit. They (mosque leaders) state that islam is a peaceful religion. You have those same mosque leaders in the very fight of their lifes for their people and religion with their parishioners,community and families against slipping into the dangerous grip of radical islam.
Under your logic I should be suspicious of every white person because whites were owners of slaves. Totally negating the fact that white abolishionist had a hand in the underground railroad and the fight for black equality.
I'm not even arabic,persian or muslim but I took offense to your post with the 9/11 terrorist. First you should know that this so called war on terror is basically a war on arabs and islam no matter if the media claims different. You'll proabably ask me to qualify my assement but to you I say you're a smart guy look around for facts. Througout history arabs and muslims have been under attack by christomdom. They have been demonized beyond belief pre 9/11 but up 400% post 9/11.
First of all what most seem to fail to comprehend is that islam is a religion that is not just indigeous to people of arabic or persian ethenticity. There are lots of white,black,asian and indian muslims so that fact right there negates any possible hope of profiling. If this were a court of law and that was your only defense I'd call for an objection based on circumstantial evidence. You state that we should profile just because the 9/11 terrorist were islamic.
But you also could have indonesian terrorist who are also islamic or blonde hair,blue eyed muslims blowing themselves up or trying to sneak a bomb aboard a plane. You tell Bigey that if his people want to stop others from having such a negative image of the arab and persian muslim community then they should be doing something about it.
Last that I checked they were. They're screaming from the top of the hills to anyone who will listen not to lump them in with islamic terrorist. But the media doesn't care because further demonization of arabs and islam sells more magazines or gets more poeple to tune in at 5,6 & 10pm which equals more advertising slots which equates more profit. They (mosque leaders) state that islam is a peaceful religion. You have those same mosque leaders in the very fight of their lifes for their people and religion with their parishioners,community and families against slipping into the dangerous grip of radical islam.
Under your logic I should be suspicious of every white person because whites were owners of slaves. Totally negating the fact that white abolishionist had a hand in the underground railroad and the fight for black equality.
OldTownPilot
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We should be profiling .... against sketchy people. Grandma and her kid aren't going to be blowing up an airplane anytime soon. If sketchy person special of the week is young islamic men, question the hell out of them, same goes for chechen women, or a withe dude acting weird. El Al has a great security system, one that should be put in place in the US. TSA needs to stop being a reactionary government group and start being proactive on security implementation. Security goes waaaayy beyond the checkpoint, and they need to realize that.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
I was just going to mention El Al. They don't profile...thats the difference they suspect anyone and everyone who has a ticket as a potential terrorist. That wouldn't be profiling,that would be interrogation of all souls. That is something drastically different then racial profiling.
At least El Al is cognizant of the fact that people trying to do hard to jew and their planes come in all ages,colors,sex and religions.
Chris_Ford
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I wasn't calling you out specifically Bigey, I know you're not Muslim.
Uhhh yeah because they're not blowing hundreds of people up at a time... I could go out and protest the Crusades, but that's a very (500+ years) dead issue. Current Muslim extremism is not, however.
Look, I have plenty of Muslim friends and I'll be the first to admit that not all Muslims are terrorists, but as I sourced before, almost every terrorist attack on the US consisted of a group of Middle Eastern males. I realize there are plenty of non-middle eastern muslims, but, to be honest, outside of small factions of Indonesia (and Chechnya, who don't seem to care too much about the US) it seems that extremism does not exist. It is a fairly local phenomenon centered in the areas of Saudia Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, even the UAE. It's not a problem with the religion, it's the way that the religion is used as a justification by these people.
Interestingly enough this seems to be a standard growing pain for a religion. Islam started in about 600 AD... So they're about 1400 years "in". Look at Christianity 1400 years after founding and you'll see they were doing very similar things.
It's absolutely sickening that people do it. However, there aren't THOUSANDS of people praising these attacks worldwide. Let alone governments...
Handled this earlier, but no. I called for Muslims around the world. This would be your clue that I'm not talking about you.
So you have no problem with Hitler gassing the Jews either? I mean, hell, live and let live. He didn't harm you physically, so let's just let him be.
(Godwined the thread, sorry)
Exactly.
I have flown on El Al in the past, and I was always extremely impressed with their security operation. The are, without doubt, the best in the world.
I will, though, have to argue with your premise that they don't profile. Reference this USAToday (news lite) article from 2001:
There are many pros and cons to the Israeli system. To simplify, the biggest "pro" is that it works very very well, and the biggest "con" is that it costs probably 10 times as much per passenger as our current system.
Here is another article that covers the issue further: Bloomberg.com
Chris_Ford
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Admittedly no, but you also fail to realize that solely because I'm white I'm often the oppressor in society, even if I have nothing to do with anything? That I am "the man" solely because of the color of my skin? Is that not racism?
So WWII in the Pacific was a war against Asians / Shinto? Come on Matthew, you're smarter than that. North Korea is regarded as a terrorist regime, and I don't see them bowing to Mecca 5 times daily.
Actions from 500 years ago justify killing of modern day civilians of ALL religions? Remember, Muslims in the WTC were killed too. They were out there to harm AMERICANS, regardless of religion.
Ummm, they're Islamic terrorists, by definition they're Islamic. Look, if I were in England back in the days and I had red hair, I'd expect them to take an extra look at me. Because that means at least they're trying. The current TSA BS is "look at the monitor, pretend you care" and "screen grandma". Ironically enough, the people crying out about profiling are the same ones complaining that grandma gets screened at the airport. Well, which is it? Profile (by age) or not?
Yes you could, but we haven't yet. Again, it's the region that's growing these terrorists, not the actual religion (though helped by the sharia law and the religious schools).
I doubt that 150 years after all this has boiled over people will be distrusting of Arabs/Muslims.