SO, Did Eagle pilots win the lottery today?

This is still kind of scary for me. I am supposed to start class on the 1st and I have no idea what this will mean for me. Should I be scared or overjoyed?
 
poser765 said:
This is still kind of scary for me. I am supposed to start class on the 1st and I have no idea what this will mean for me. Should I be scared or overjoyed?
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Nobody has a clue yet. Anyone telling you otherwise is talking out of their ass. Like I said we need to see the ASA/CPA that the "New Eagle" is going to have with AMR.
We don't know how long the ASA/CPA is going to be.
We don't know if this is both MQ and EX or just one.
We don't know about the ATRs or the CRJs.

There is still a lot of unknowns to know where we might be sitting in 5 years.
 
jdlilfan said:
This seems like a hollow agreement to me.

"American Eagle pilots will be offered a minimum of 35% of every American Airlines new-hire class. In the event that 35% of American Airlines’ new hire class is greater than 25 pilots per month, American Eagle will be required to release at least 25 Eagle pilots per month."

So if they have a class of 100, only 1/4 will be Eagle unless a furlough at AE. Many of the younger seniority numbers will be watching the hiring parade go by without a chance to participate. One would have better luck trying to get hired off the street. If hiring at AA started and was consistent, a new hire at AE wouldn't have a chance to go to AA for 8+ years. By then, with the way the divestiture is looking, AE will be long gone.
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My guess is the first of the 35% guys is going to somewhere our currant 1600-1800 guy.
 
kellwolf said:
Honestly, I see this as good news for Eagle guys and even good news for me. Good news for them since they get to move onto a major with some form of certainty. Good news for me since I have little to no interest in going to American, which means guys might stay at Eagle rather than jumping into the job market to compete for the jobs I DO want. :)
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a glass all the way full perspective! (and very observant)
poser765 said:
Should I be scared or overjoyed?
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yes...
 
the way i look at it (march new hire with Eagle), im not really planning to make it to AA on this flow agreement. However i think it will cause upgrade times to become even shorter which means jet PIC time faster and i can throw my resume in wherever i want sooner. Yes Eagle's days are numbered but i think its at least 5 years off before any noticeable shrinkage is seen. The next 5 years in this entire industry will be very very interesting across the board and at all airlines.
 
Haven't read much about this but is there some sort of expiration on this flow for current pilots or is it valid indefinitely?
 
hrjet said:
Haven't read much about this but is there some sort of expiration on this flow for current pilots or is it valid indefinitely?
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I'm not positive, but I'm willing to bet there is going to be successorship language regarding that issue when the spin off occurs in order to assure that this continues.

Just a guess, though.
 
hrjet said:
Haven't read much about this but is there some sort of expiration on this flow for current pilots or is it valid indefinitely?
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The short asnwer is when the last available person (class date oct 11, 2011) is offered a job at aa. at that point it expires
 
So let me get the facts straight.

1) Eagle pilots on property now will get a guaranteed job at AA at some point in the future.
2) AA is spinning off eagle.
3) AA can pull eagles planes and give them to another airline and eagle pilots can be put on the street.
4) If they put them on the street the airline that got eagles planes will more than likely hire them.

Is that correct?
 
Even if it takes forever to get to AA, the movement to better schedules and upgrades are going to be a LOT better than before.. hopefully it's enough to overcome the probable future shrinkage... it should be.

I'm not complaining about the deal... YET!
 
skyw82 said:
So let me get the facts straight.

1) Eagle pilots on property now will get a guaranteed job at AA at some point in the future.
2) AA is spinning off eagle.
3) AA can pull eagles planes and give them to another airline and eagle pilots can be put on the street.
4) If they put them on the street the airline that got eagles planes will more than likely hire them.

Is that correct?
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And if Eagle furloughs, then each American class needs to be 50% Eagle pilots at a minimum.

So you could get furloughed from Beagle, and a year or two later come back to American.

I think that's the key to making this work.
 
skyw82 said:
So let me get the facts straight.

1) Eagle pilots on property now will get a guaranteed job at AA at some point in the future.
2) AA is spinning off eagle.
3) AA can pull eagles planes and give them to another airline and eagle pilots can be put on the street.
4) If they put them on the street the airline that got eagles planes will more than likely hire them.

Is that correct?
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#3, if the planes go, the pilots, and their alpa contract go too (with them, to the new carrier)!
#4 if for some reason eagle pilots are furlough, and another regional is awarded flying by AA, AA will (as I was rightly corrected) ask the carrier to give preferntial hiring to furloughed AE pilots
 
mooneyguy said:
#3, if the planes go, the pilots, and their alpa contract go too (with them, to the new carrier)!
#4 if for some reason eagle pilots are furlough, and another regional is awarded flying by AA, AA will (as I was rightly corrected) ask the carrier to give preferntial hiring to furloughed AE pilots
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#3 is what the company/union want to change. The idea is that we traded the right to go with the planes for the right to flow up to AA. The question I have is the agreement to have all Eagle pilot's flow up to AA is already a done deal (signed by all parties), but the scope change to section 1 requires a pilot ratification vote to pass. What is the benifit to passing the scope change and removing our protection to transfer with the aircraft? Seems like this news came out early by mistake ( the union admitted that the call went out early by mistake) and the original plan was to dangle to flow up to AA carrot in front of us to make us agree to the scope change but now that the cat is out of the bag and we see that the flow is already a done deal I really don't see any benifit to voting yes. This seems like a scenario where we could have our cake and eat it too.
 
mooneyguy said:
#3, if the planes go, the pilots, and their alpa contract go too (with them, to the new carrier)!
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Careful with this one. You need to see the EXACT contract language down to the wording and the crossed Ts and dotted Is. Sometimes what management promises is there is obscured and clouded by contract language with enough loopholes to trip everyone up. Even if the pilots do "go with the plane" is there language in there to guarantee a CA stays a CA? Loose enough language, and a 20 year CA could find themselves a new hire FO at the new company....but, hey, they went with the airplane, right?
 
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