skatergeek
Beet Farmer
Pay package.
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
It’s your unilaterally imposed terms. Because you’re an at-will employee.
Cloud Surfer
All Roads lead to Trantor
Exactly why we need ALPA. I just don't understand why so many SkyWest pilots do not deem the protection of a union as a benefit. It is like insurance. We will continue to lag behind in pay and work rules until we come to this realization.
I usually use the air quotes, but the company insists on having a giant TA 2018 banner when you log on.
Yep, like the soft landings 2.0 program that was "passed" despite none of the pilots getting to vote on it. But hey, I'm glad the guy that spent 3 years at Mesa and jumped over here a year later than me is making more money. And gets higher vacation and sick accrual. Meanwhile I don't have enough to cover a 4 day without it being a massive financial hit when I'm ACTUALLY too sick to go to work.
It's amazing how many people don't realize that while a union is not perfect, you absolutely want someone in your corner when the poop hits the fan. That someone is not a student council paid for by the company.
In the mean time, I'll continue dumping my money down the toilet for AOPA legal in the off chance I need something.
Everyone hates the cops until they need one...
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Never thought of this, I should look into it.
I can’t speak for how effective it is, but I do know they only cover you if you were already signed up when whatever incident occurred. IF you try to sign up after something happens, you’re on your own.
Rodger Wilco
Well-Known Member
Doesn’t TA just mean temporary agreement?Well if it’s an agreement, and it’s temporary, what should we call it? NUTA; non-union Temporary agreement?
And why do people always say “Vote ALPA” as if we have an opportunity but are choosing not to. Let’s see an ALPA drive.
And why do people always say “Vote ALPA” as if we have an opportunity but are choosing not to. Let’s see an ALPA drive.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
An “agreement” requires two parties bargaining in good faith to reach a “meeting of the minds.” That does not take place in a non-union environment.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
TA stands for Tentative Agreement, as in it's been negotiate but has not been ratified by the pilot group yet.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
You’re still a fascist.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
It’s a direct insult to those of us who have spent the majority of our careers here, is what it is.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Like was said, you can't have an agreement between a single party. And that's all you've got there.
You do have an opportunity. Start the drive in house. You sure as hell don't need ALPA organizing for you from the outside to make it happen. The last two times we tried that y'all (figuratively) said thanks for the pizza and sandwiches and I'm going to keep my 2%. You want something nice, you do the heavy lifting and make it happen. Sounds like some of your fellow pilots are doing just that.
Cloud Surfer
All Roads lead to Trantor
I fear that this turd agreement (TA) will pass! I flew with a lifer (and four others) who thinks that there isn't any more money on the table to be handed out to pilots; management is justified in its shell game. At least he admits that no one is benefited by this TA . Tell me that this attitude is not prevalent and these compadres are outliers!
Cazadores
Well-Known Member
It's one of the most confusing, vexing things about this company. I've flown with so many who really seem to feel SkyWest is doing them a favor for letting them work here. Willfully ignorant of the industry, blissfully happy knowing the guy on the next gate is literally making their comparative paycheck pennies on the dollar- but it's ok because "the company is well managed". It weird, don't they want more? Isn't more money, better work rules, good? It's a strange Stockholm syndrome like mentality. Don't get me wrong, I've had a good life here, but all things being equal I'd just assume have more money, time off, and opportunities out west.
The one thing that seems to be opening eyes is the bonus structure. I've talked to a few pro company die hards who will, under their breath, mutter disgust at the lack of appreciation of their years of service in favor of new hires, between the usual "happy happy everything is awesome!" and anti union drivel.
This and soft landings might be part of a sea change-but our real hope, and the company knows it, is educating new hires, and a solid organizing effort by mid range seniority Captains and FOs.
Or just bailing to greener pastures.
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GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
They’re not the ones interviewing at United and Delta, FYI. The anti-union lifers aren’t going anywhere by choice.
Sadly, I know of several people that were the first to peddle anti union sentiment that have since moved on to unionized majors.
My favorite were the ones that pointed to Southwest as being a successful airline without a union. Kindly pointed out Southwest has been unionized for 40 years...
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
Wow. That’s pretty naive of those guys! I stand corrected then.
Cloud Surfer
All Roads lead to Trantor
Perhaps it is best that the old are gone.... The newer generation of pilots is more open-minded than the the long-tenured and is in the process of experiencing how a non-union airline behaves and treats its employees. Mine is eye-opening.