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I came to this company because, historically it has been stable, treated their employees well, and honestly I hadn't heard many complaints. What I can say now is that morale is getting lower, the pilots, both first officers and captains in my base are burnt out, and everyone I talk to complains about the same things. We can't take vacation, I can't get a line with less than 90 hours and more than 11 days off, no schedule flexibility at all, and I can call in sick for a four day trip once a year. That's it, and honestly these seem like easy fixes. But instead they throw things at us that most people don't even care about. Then they refuse to listen to any of our voices. While we all want growth, we are stretched so thin as it is (On the CRJ anyways) that I don't know how we could manage it. If I were a prospective new hire, this pay package wouldn't interest me unless I wanted a skywest base. I think they are still recruiting based on reputation and bases, and if they don't watch it the reputation may not stay so great.

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BEEF SUPREME said:
So is this pay agreement just about pay and we can't ask for QOL things for 5 years?

Or can we deal with pay now and QOL in a month or two?


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I specifically asked SAPA this question and they said no. This is it. This piece of crap is in lieu of any thing else, QOL or otherwise. Then you ask why they didn't address the myriad of QOL issues the pilot's care about and they said that if they did any QOL improvements that it might only affect a portion of the pilots whereas this affects all....But then I asked why it was such a POS and why is RJ cheerleading it so hard and sending threatening emails. You have to ask yourself; Is RJ going to be flying 95 hours a month for the foreseeable future? No. Same as the QOL issues for commuters and reservists alike. They in all likelihood don't affect any of the reps.
 
NC-Sean said:
I specifically asked SAPA this question and they said no. This is it. This piece of crap is in lieu of any thing else, QOL or otherwise. Then you ask why they didn't address the myriad of QOL issues the pilot's care about and they said that if they did any QOL improvements that it might only affect a portion of the pilots whereas this affects all....But then I asked why it was such a POS and why is RJ cheerleading it so hard and sending threatening emails. You have to ask yourself; Is RJ going to be flying 95 hours a month for the foreseeable future? No. Same as the QOL issues for commuters and reservists alike. They in all likelihood don't affect any of the reps.
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He won't be FLYING 95 hours. But I'm pretty sure he's PAID at least 95 hours. I'm not saying SAPA doesn't do a lot of work. But it's different when you live in SLC and are PS to SGU for meetings and want to increase your pay vs. QOL increases.

And whether it affects the reps or not doesn't much matter. As someone else pointed out earlier, what the company wants, SAPA sends to us.
 
B767 said:
He won't be FLYING 95 hours. But I'm pretty sure he's PAID at least 95 hours. I'm not saying SAPA doesn't do a lot of work. But it's different when you live in SLC and are PS to SGU for meetings and want to increase your pay vs. QOL increases.
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Yeah it's ridiculous. With the tone he strikes for the company I don't believe for a second that he doesn't get some other "benefit" somehow to cheerlead for this. I'm in SLC, live 15 mins from the airport and I'm still burned out with 94 hours assigned. Can't wait to upgrade and commute /s...
 
NC-Sean said:
Yeah it's ridiculous. With the tone he strikes for the company I don't believe for a second that he doesn't get some other "benefit" somehow to cheerlead for this. I'm in SLC, live 15 mins from the airport and I'm still burned out with 94 hours assigned. Can't wait to upgrade and commute /s...
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Well I hate to burst the bubble. And I'm sure you're being facetious. But once you upgrade, you'll still be assigned 94 hours. The only change? Less days off. I would say more money but you burn that on hotels/crashpads. Or you can pull an @Autothrust Blue and move to base. Then find out you can hold the old base you used to live in

(I've been calling you out a lot. It's all in jest. I hope the msp flying is better than sfo crj flying).
 
Since I'm new here, am I understanding this correctly: you are assigned 95 hrs but there is no way to drop the trips?

Isn't that an option on Sked+?

(Please be gentile)


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BEEF SUPREME said:
Since I'm new here, am I understanding this correctly: you are assigned 95 hrs but there is no way to drop the trips?

Isn't that an option on Sked+?

(Please be gentile)


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I'm not good with the wording. I bid 80-87 hours. PBS assigns me 95 because that was the min line value when it got to me (there's more to it than that but I'm keeping it simple for simpicity's sake). I bid certain days off. I don't go crazy. Usually only looking for 2-3 days off a month, majority of the time they aren't concurrent. They aren't holidays or weekends. I end up being CNed into those days off.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to drop trips because of insufficient reserves. You try to drop, insufficient reserves in base. You try to use user/vacation it gets denied because of insufficient reserves system wide.

You can post your trip for pick up but no one can pick it up because we are all maxed out on work days and FAR legalities/company buffers for legalities.

I hold commutable trips. I can post the trip for trade but no one will trade me because most assuredly my commutable trip is lower credit than someone else's trip. Why would they "trade down?" Most of the time I just need to shift my trip by one day. But I can't because of insufficient reserves. Well, I'm trying to trade my 4 day for a 4 day that's a day earlier or later, and you're insufficient on all 5 days, so what's the diff?

The one time it worked out for me was when we lost a child. The chiefs, and company, knew about it. I had to have a random Tuesday off so my wife could go to a support group while I watched our other kids. I was CNed. There was a 4 day that started a day earlier and I'd be off on the Tuesday I needed. CS couldn't help me because of reserves. I had to call the chief to "ask for permission" to get the day off. He was able to get CS to swap the trips more me. I felt like a 1st grader raising my hand asking if I can use the restroom. You can work me Every. Single. Day. Of the month just give me that one day off. Instead I had to ask daddy for a permission slip.
 
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B767 said:
Well I hate to burst the bubble. And I'm sure you're being facetious. But once you upgrade, you'll still be assigned 94 hours. The only change? Less days off. I would say more money but you burn that on hotels/crashpads. Or you can pull an @Autothrust Blue and move to base. Then find out you can hold the old base you used to live in

(I've been calling you out a lot. It's all in jest. I hope the msp flying is better than sfo crj flying).
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yeah the " /s " is widely used to denote sarcasm because of the prevalence of people who can't tell when a comment is being
written sarcastically.
 
B767 said:
I'm not good with the wording. I bid 80-87 hours. PBS assigns me 95 because that was the min line value when it got to me (there's more to it than that but I'm keeping it simple for simpicity's sake). I bid certain days off. I don't go crazy. Usually only looking for 2-3 days off a month, majority of the time they aren't concurrent. They aren't holidays or weekends. I end up being CNed into those days off.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to drop trips because of insufficient reserves. You try to drop, insufficient reserves in base. You try to use user/vacation it gets denied because of insufficient reserves system wide.

You can post your trip for pick up but no one can pick it up because we are all maxed out on work days and FAR legalities/company buffers for legalities.

I hold commutable trips. I can post the trip for trade but no one will trade me because most assuredly my commutable trip is lower credit than someone else's trip. Why would they "trade down?" Most of the time I just need to shift my trip by one day. But I can't because of insufficient reserves. Well, I'm trying to trade my 4 day for a 4 day that's a day earlier or later, and you're insufficient on all 5 days, so what's the diff?

The one time it worked out for me was when we lost a child. The chiefs, and company, knew about it. I had to have a random Tuesday off so my wife could go to a support group while I watched our other kids. I was CNed. There was a 4 day that started a day earlier and I'd be off on the Tuesday I needed. CS couldn't help me because of reserves. I had to call the chief to "ask for permission" to get the day off. He was able to get CS to swap the trips more me. I felt like a 1st grader raising my hand asking if I can use the restroom. You can work me Every. Single. Day. Of the month just give me that one day off. Instead I had to ask daddy for a permission slip.
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That's completely unacceptable when measured against any standard of decency.
 
My question is why vote anything other then yes? If the company wants this to pass, won't they just pass it? We have the illusion of having choice in this decision.
 
JordanD said:
And this is why we end up with voting numbers in the 40s.
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I was thinking his thought was the electoral college voting process. #riggedelection. Not sure I'd agree with it but getting a better educated voter numbers would be nice.


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ComplexHiAv8r said:
I was thinking his thought was the electoral college voting process. #riggedelection. Not sure I'd agree with it but getting a better educated voter numbers would be nice.


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I get the sentiment, but it's literally a few mouse clicks wether you think it has an effect or not. No excuse to not vote then complain about the result.
 
WaterRooster said:
My question is why vote anything other then yes? If the company wants this to pass, won't they just pass it? We have the illusion of having choice in this decision.
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If enough people vote no and send the package back to SAPA/The Co you will be sending a message. The company won't go as far as just imposing the pay package to everyone since you would have a union vote pretty quickly thereafter. Vote no and make it known what you want. They know they are going to have to do something to keep the new hires walking in the door.

On a slightly related note: I usually pimp Skywest pretty hard to CFI friends working towards a 121 job. But I recently had a buddy decide to go to Endeavor due to the hiring bonus and desire to stay in the midwest/east coast. The point is Skywest is going to start hurting for new hires soon unless they do something to compete. The reputation only goes so far and is beginning to dry up. Im not advocating large retention bonuses by any means but they need to look at ways to stay competitive.
 
norcalpilot25 said:
If enough people vote no and send the package back to SAPA/The Co you will be sending a message. The company won't go as far as just imposing the pay package to everyone since you would have a union vote pretty quickly thereafter. Vote no and make it known what you want. They know they are going to have to do something to keep the new hires walking in the door.

On a slightly related note: I usually pimp Skywest pretty hard to CFI friends working towards a 121 job. But I recently had a buddy decide to go to Endeavor due to the hiring bonus and desire to stay in the midwest/east coast. The point is Skywest is going to start hurting for new hires soon unless they do something to compete. The reputation only goes so far and is beginning to dry up. Im not advocating large retention bonuses by any means but they need to look at ways to stay competitive.
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But large retention bonuses would help. Show me the money. SAP would help but I suspect they'd never go for it
 
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