SkyWest Pilots: How'd you vote?

surreal1221 said:
Don't use rational thought Airdale.

Especially talking Unions to those from the state of Utah.

They are the devil. (Unions, to those from Utah. . .my experience has shown).

I've even heard that some spouses won't allow their spouse to work at a Union company, go figure.
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OK. . . Why would you make a blanket statement like that about every professional pilot in this state? That just took the SkyWest ALPA thing in a weird direction. Give the drive the chance to tally the votes before you start throwing out judgement. I don't think the pilots in from this state are more anti or pro union than any other. My experience with union attitudes at SKYW or any other pilots from SLC does not support your comments here.
 
Three points:

1) The Ballot credentials were mailed by the NMB on the 9th. Unless the U.S. Mail has improved considerably, it's doubtful that any pilots have yet received the Voter Identification Number (VIN) and Personal Identification Number (PIN) required to cast a vote over the phone. Without the VIN and PIN, nobody could have voted.

If a SkyWest pilot has not received Telephone Voting Instructions and VIN/PIN by October 15, he should immediately request duplicate telephone voting instructions and duplicate VIN/PIN from the NMB. That information is required to vote. To receive duplicate telephone voing instructions, a request must be made personally, in writing, from the NMB before November 1, 2007. (Download a ballot request letter here.) Members of the Organizing Committee and ALPA staff should be available in crewrooms beginning on the 14th to assist pilots who have not received the voting instructions complete the required paperwork and FedEx them to the NMB.

This and more information available at www.skywestalpa.org.






2) There are roughly 2700 pilots at SkyWest -- how many of them participate at Jetcareers.com? I must wonder how representative or otherwise useful a poll here could be. Aloft, it would be more useful if only SkyWest pilots participate in the poll, but unfortunately ... well, you know.




3) The structure of this poll fails to recognize (or perhaps it's a failure to adequately emphasize) that a decision to not vote is identical to voting No. There is no way to abstain from voting, or remain neutral. A pilot must either call the NMB toll-free at 1-877-NMB-VOTE (1-877-662-8683) and follow the voice prompts to cast a YES vote, or he/she will be counted as a NO vote. In that sense, everyone votes. There is no "I didn't vote, I don't plan to vote" option.




Be careful out there! Apparently there are video feeds from the SLC crew room to St. George. ;)






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Lee D said:
OK. . . Why would you make a blanket statement like that about every professional pilot in this state? That just took the SkyWest ALPA thing in a weird direction. Give the drive the chance to tally the votes before you start throwing out judgement. I don't think the pilots in from this state are more anti or pro union than any other. My experience with union attitudes at SKYW or any other pilots from SLC does not support your comments here.
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My experience has shown...indicating, that a certain number of pilots who work for SKW, who also reside in Utah, are also strongly anti-union. They are, when it comes to their professions and careers, very independent of their needs and wants. With that being said, they have a larger willingness to allow their management to do what they want, when they want to do it, to them.

Not a blanket statement my friend, just simply how I call it - with the few SKW guys/gal I'm familiar with.
 
SteveC said:
Fixed it for ya!

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Hey, I was just repeating what they said. ;)


Naturally, I would have complained had they mentioned the "other guys," what with the FedEx drop box being conveniently located across the hall from the Jazz Room in SLC and all.

:)

As long as the NMB gets the written request, and the pilot gets the VIN/PIN and voting instructions, I don't care if it gets there by Pony Express. Everyone deserves the right to vote.




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surreal1221 said:
My experience has shown...indicating, that a certain number of pilots who work for SKW, who also reside in Utah, are also strongly anti-union.

Not a blanket statement my friend, just simply how I call it - with the few SKW guys/gal I'm familiar with.
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So of the admittedly few SKW pilots you know, are any of them based in SLC, or are you just going off of second or third-hand info?
 
Eh, I'll back surreal's assessment up. I'm a native Utahu, and I'll attest to the anti-union sentiment in the state, even tho it makes no sense; my personal belief is that most of the anti-union sentiment here is due to the Church's "don't question authority" stance.
 
aloft said:
Eh, I'll back surreal's assessment up. I'm a native Utahu, and I'll attest to the anti-union sentiment in the state, even tho it makes no sense; my personal belief is that most of the anti-union sentiment here is due to the Church's "don't question authority" stance.
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Oh, there's no question the state as a whole is anti-union. Surreal, though, is making a broad generalization about a specific pilot group--not the state as a whole--that he isn't very familiar with.
 
Airdale said:
This is what I don't get with Regional pilots. If you don't like ALPA - what Major carrier are you planning on working for? Because I have news for you - the majority are ALPA represented!! Why not become a member of the Union that you will eventually be a member of anyway?

Such poor, lame excuses not to vote. The same excuses that Colgan pilots used and look at us now, Mike Colgan already stepping down and PCL management taking over. Only a matter of time before we get the big rod that is Pinnacle shoved up our.....


Don't vote. Don't care about your career. Don't care about the industry. Don't care about anything but yourself. And don't expect a jumpseat on my flight deck someday.
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There needs to be choices other than ALPA. I still think they're the best for job, but recently pilot satisfaction with ALPA has dropped off.

Look at the US Airways stuff and now United. I met a DAL mad dogg CA in LGA two nights ago and he told me voting down ALPA was the best thing CJC pilots could have done. I told him I would have voted and he went on and told me that ALPA is strictly in it for the money and again Prater is a sellout.

Does Prater really need 400K on top of his COA salary? I'm doubting it.

For the record, I will be voting YES next summer.
 
SmitteyB said:
There needs to be choices other than ALPA. I still think they're the best for job, but recently pilot satisfaction with ALPA has dropped off.

Look at the US Airways stuff and now United. I met a DAL mad dogg CA in LGA two nights ago and he told me voting down ALPA was the best thing CJC pilots could have done. I told him I would have voted and he went on and told me that ALPA is strictly in it for the money and again Prater is a sellout.
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Eh, the US Air doesn't hold weight with me. It's misdirected anger. They should be voting out their MEC, not ALPA. If they had the Teamsters as their union and the same leaders, they would have had the same results. Did this Delta guy have any specifics or was he just biter for some reason? Most of the people that I know that are anti-ALPA don't really understand how it works. Either that, or they think unions can solve every problem they have.

Does Prater really need 400K on top of his COA salary? I'm doubting it.
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I'm looking for confirmation on that, and I can't find it. What was the source for that info?
 
kellwolf said:
Eh, the US Air doesn't hold weight with me. It's misdirected anger. They should be voting out their MEC, not ALPA. If they had the Teamsters as their union and the same leaders, they would have had the same results. Did this Delta guy have any specifics or was he just biter for some reason? Most of the people that I know that are anti-ALPA don't really understand how it works. Either that, or they think unions can solve every problem they have.
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He told me Unions are old news. What you really need was a united pilot group. I did the old, nod and say, "yeah, ok".


kellwolf said:
I'm looking for confirmation on that, and I can't find it. What was the source for that info?
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Source: Department of Labor, Office of Labor Management Standards LM Filings

That information is public. And although this website is made by scabs, I think it's also on UnionFacts.com.
 
surreal1221 said:
Don't use rational thought Airdale.

Especially talking Unions to those from the state of Utah.

They are the devil. (Unions, to those from Utah. . .my experience has shown).

I've even heard that some spouses won't allow their spouse to work at a Union company, go figure.
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LOL- No comment. I'm not being anti mormon either. I have a few friends that are mormon.
 
TonyC said:
Be careful out there! Apparently there are video feeds from the SLC crew room to St. George. ;)






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Tony- How would you know? It's not like you've ever been inside their! LOL. :) hahahha.
Have you seen the movie Office (something)..........yeeeeeeahhhhhh wejust got a call from SGU.......we're gonna need you to come in on saturday!
 
SmitteyB said:
Source: Department of Labor, Office of Labor Management Standards LM Filings

That information is public. And although this website is made by scabs, I think it's also on UnionFacts.com.
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Can't find it anywhere other than Unionfacts.com, and it still lists Woerth as the president. Got a link? Not saying you're totally wrong, just that it sounds more like that would be what he makes WITH the CAL salary, not on top of it.
 
SmitteyB said:
There needs to be choices other than ALPA. I still think they're the best for job, but recently pilot satisfaction with ALPA has dropped off.

Look at the US Airways stuff and now United. I met a DAL mad dogg CA in LGA two nights ago and he told me voting down ALPA was the best thing CJC pilots could have done. I told him I would have voted and he went on and told me that ALPA is strictly in it for the money and again Prater is a sellout.

Does Prater really need 400K on top of his COA salary? I'm doubting it.

For the record, I will be voting YES next summer.
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The United DeCert Drive has ended. I HIGHLY doubt the Airways guys will decert ALPA as well.

It is not perfect, but the 'other' options aren't better. ALPA is the best we have, we have to work to improve it.

The president of ALPA makes whatever their seat position is as salary. He doesn't make 400K on top of that.

The President of ALPA is in charge of an association of over 65,000 members. A company CEO that has over 65,000 members makes about 30 million a year MINIMUM with benefits, stock options, etc. The President of ALPA works for next to nothing as far as I am concerned.
 
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